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Old 11-03-2024 | 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by LizzyBorden
So let me get this straight. You by choice advanced your career flying regional feed that has taken jobs away from mainline pilots, and now are having heartburn about those same airplanes now that you are at a major.
Knew this is where you were going with the incessant asking of your question. I don't think this is quite the intellectual ah ha that you believe it is. You certainly fit the rj lifer mold that I've been around. I know, I know, it's only because it's your side hustle...
Old 11-03-2024 | 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by LizzyBorden
So let me get this straight. You by choice advanced your career flying regional feed that has taken jobs away from mainline pilots, and now are having heartburn about those same airplanes now that you are at a major.
Yes. I am. I think there is definitely a place for RJs in an airline’s route network, I just think it would be better for the pilot profession if they were flown by pilots who work for the company the planes are serving.

Individual pilots go work for regionals because it’s what’s best for them at that moment. One pilot refusing to participate in the system isn’t going to move the needle and they’ll just hurt their own career. A large group of pilots banding together to try and change the system to advance the pilot profession can have an effect though. A grouping, or a compact, or… what’s the word I’m looking for… oh, a union.
Old 11-03-2024 | 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by But seriously
Yes. I am. I think there is definitely a place for RJs in an airline’s route network, I just think it would be better for the pilot profession if they were flown by pilots who work for the company the planes are serving.

Individual pilots go work for regionals because it’s what’s best for them at that moment. One pilot refusing to participate in the system isn’t going to move the needle and they’ll just hurt their own career. A large group of pilots banding together to try and change the system to advance the pilot profession can have an effect though. A grouping, or a compact, or… what’s the word I’m looking for… oh, a union.
Perfectly said.
Old 11-03-2024 | 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 60av8tor
Knew this is where you were going with the incessant asking of your question. I don't think this is quite the intellectual ah ha that you believe it is. You certainly fit the rj lifer mold that I've been around. I know, I know, it's only because it's your side hustle...
Oh it absolutely is an ah ha, and you don't like the fact it is. Which is why you then turned to an attempt to insult and talk down to a "lowly regional lifer'.

Sorry your feathers got ruflled with a reality check.
Old 11-03-2024 | 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by LizzyBorden
So let me get this straight. You by choice advanced your career flying regional feed that has taken jobs away from mainline pilots, and now are having heartburn about those same airplanes now that you are at a major.
I have no heartburn. We have the best scope in the industry.

I think the whipsaw of majors vs regionals can be eliminated.

The regional I worked for at the time was owned by its major carrier, with a UNION contract agreement that allowed flow to mainline in exchange with furlough protection (which was exercised).

What I also did, was pay union dues to ALPA for 7 years, which you have not. Your airline provides feed to an ALPA represented pilot group.

Do you support Pilot Unions?
Old 11-03-2024 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by But seriously
Yes. I am. I think there is definitely a place for RJs in an airline’s route network, I just think it would be better for the pilot profession if they were flown by pilots who work for the company the planes are serving.

Individual pilots go work for regionals because it’s what’s best for them at that moment. One pilot refusing to participate in the system isn’t going to move the needle and they’ll just hurt their own career. A large group of pilots banding together to try and change the system to advance the pilot profession can have an effect though. A grouping, or a compact, or… what’s the word I’m looking for… oh, a union.
First, of all, finally someone who responded to the issue who didn't fly off the rails into a emotional rant and insult hurling dissertation. So, that is refreshing.

The irony comes when those large groups of said pilots banding together to change the system, used that said system to advance them to where they are.

Oh, and note to all of those who are going to turn into Regan MacNeil after reading this, instead of losing your minds and thinking you can throw insults my way to ruffle my feathers, keep on topic. Lot of you have a tendency to get very emotional and stray from topic at hand.
Old 11-03-2024 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by at6d
The regional at the time was owned by its major carrier, with a UNION contract agreement that allowed flow to mainline in exchange with furlough protection (which was exercised).

What I also did, was pay union dues to ALPA for 7 years, which you have not. Your airline provides feed to an ALPA represented pilot group.

Do you support Pilot Unions?
Support pilots doing whats best for them. Unions create a group think culture where those who don't follow or keep in line are ostracized. That works for some, doesn't work for others. Plus, I also believe pilot unions who represent both major and regional carriers are talking out both sides of their mouths.

Perfect example of the culture I bring up has been shown in this entire thread. A lowly non union SkyWest guy who dare ask questions and comment on anything scope related. Majority of guys on here went right to the personal insults, get lost, blah blah blah. And then those same guys, and you know who you are, spend tons of time floating around regional boards spreading their opinions and talking down SkyWest folks.....some, after they built their time there to move on to a union carrier.
Old 11-03-2024 | 06:28 AM
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Troll has to troll....... don't feed him
Old 11-03-2024 | 06:29 AM
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Troll has to troll....... don't feed him
Proving my point...throwing insults and offering zero substance.
Old 11-03-2024 | 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by LizzyBorden
The irony comes when those large groups of said pilots banding together to change the system, used that said system to advance them to where they are.
Not ironic at all. As 'But Seriously' said, when building time individual pilots look for the best opportunities to build time to achieve their career goals. As newbie pilots we don't have any control or influence over the airline industry, but ALPA and to a far lesser extent other pilot unions do have significant political and industrial influence. In fact, ALPA more than any other entity has made this profession worth having and all pilots have benefited. The irony is those who choose to ignore that fact for transparently obvious reasons.

We made the mistake in the late 90s and 2000s of giving airline managements an inch and in bankruptcy they took a mile. Now events have conspired to allow us to put some of the genie back in the bottle. At least you recognize that fact when it affects you directly. Enjoy those CRJ550s and the 86,000 lb limit.
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