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02-28-2025 | 05:05 AM
#181
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330/350 CA = 1,373/109 WB = 12.6 CA/WB
330/350 FO = 2,059/109 WB = 18.9 FO/WB
330/350 pilots = 31.5 Pilot/WB
I think that's why our staffing ratio is a bit higher, DAL almost never uses the 330/350 on domestic flying with any regularity. Now if we could just get our WB count up close to yours.
02-28-2025 | 05:24 AM
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So, in summation Delta has better manning than UAL(from pilot perspective) by about 20-25% on WB.
If you're a Delta pilot you want more WB with same manning.
If you're a UAL pilot you want Delta's work rules thus increasing manning by about 20-25%.
That about correct for this whizzing contest?
If you're a Delta pilot you want more WB with same manning.
If you're a UAL pilot you want Delta's work rules thus increasing manning by about 20-25%.
That about correct for this whizzing contest?
02-28-2025 | 05:33 AM
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So, in summation Delta has better manning than UAL(from pilot perspective) by about 20-25% on WB.
If you're a Delta pilot you want more WB with same manning.
If you're a UAL pilot you want Delta's work rules thus increasing manning by about 20-25%.
That about correct for this whizzing contest?
If you're a Delta pilot you want more WB with same manning.
If you're a UAL pilot you want Delta's work rules thus increasing manning by about 20-25%.
That about correct for this whizzing contest?
I don't see it so much as a whizzing contest as it's just some interesting data for both sides. I'd be happy at either airline as long as I could live in base. Certainly not for me, I left WB FO for 717 CA and don't plan on leaving any time soon lol.
02-28-2025 | 05:54 AM
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Now that the facts are out there both sided know where to put priorities during next contract negotiations.
UAL holds the upper hand here because pilots(negotiatiors ) can influence the manning formula side of the equation much more readily than they can company purchasing decisions.
Not a jab, just statement of fact from my perspective.
02-28-2025 | 06:03 AM
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Overall I think it ends up being a wash between the two. I tell new guys to pick the one that has a base they want to live in.
02-28-2025 | 07:41 AM
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More interesting data from the United side is that the IRO positions are separate lines. That means flying guys can get bought off for IOE (not just bumped to IRO), and IRO’s can run out of landings, and get paid for the trip while the do a day of landings sims.
Overall I think it ends up being a wash between the two. I tell new guys to pick the one that has a base they want to live in.
Overall I think it ends up being a wash between the two. I tell new guys to pick the one that has a base they want to live in.
02-28-2025 | 07:48 AM
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In the world of FAR 117 and regulated inflight rest, how can an airline get away with not having scheduled flying and IRO positions. You're going to blast off on a 12+ hour flight departing around midnight and you don't know if you'll be in the bunk or flying seat for the first half? Crazy that's allowed.
02-28-2025 | 11:07 AM
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In the world of FAR 117 and regulated inflight rest, how can an airline get away with not having scheduled flying and IRO positions. You're going to blast off on a 12+ hour flight departing around midnight and you don't know if you'll be in the bunk or flying seat for the first half? Crazy that's allowed.
02-28-2025 | 11:21 AM
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Crews “usually talking to each other” isn’t required or expected wrt FAR compliance. The fact is if you come to work expecting to get first(or second)break, and have managed your rest accordingly, it shouldn’t be upended by the skipper at the briefing. Picking a flying vs non flying line is a far superior method of bidding to just showing up and hoping it works out.
