except for the vacancy announcements where they have said they are letting certain categories naturally attrit.

 

Over the next 42 months, a large percentage 80% of all current WB Captains system wide will hit 65.

ORD alone loses 70% of the current 787 Captains.

Over the next 36 months we should see massive WB bids.

 

We've had 6 787s delivered since November 2024 and 6 more to be delivered by the end of 2025 and I still don't see the new route announcements except for Saigon and Bangkok but they claim they are using existing planes with long sits in Hong Kong.

Something has to happen because 787 CA has only had bids to cover attrition for the last 6 months.

 

The airplanes dont sit in HKG. they turn out back to the states. There will be 1 dedicated 787 for both flights. The BKK flight will leave in the morning after the morning arrivals from the states, and return to connect to the evening flights stateside. The SGN flight will leave in the evening after the late arrivals and return in the morning to connect to the morning departures to the states. So, 1 plane…2 destinations.

 

One plane isn't possible. If one plane is used, how does this one plane takeoff from HKG to BKK at 0900 and then land at 0930 in HKG from SGN? Its got to be 2 planes. Also I doubt the evening flight lands at 2045 and then leaves again at 2115. 30 minutes is not possible for a 787 on an international flight with customs, cleaning, changing galley, crew etc.

 

It's one plane for both BKK and SGN.

The morning arrivals land around 7am from the US. HKG-BKK leaves at 9am arrives 1050am. BKK-HKG leaves at 440pm arrives 845pm. The late HKG-US departures leave around 11pm.

The evening arrivals land in HKG around 7pm. HKG-SGN leaves at 915pm arrives 1055pm. SGN-HKG leaves at 6am arrives 935am. The morning HKG-US departures leave around 1130am.

1 plane-2 destinations. Of course the plane will get rotated thru back to the states, but they are only using 1 plane to service both flights by doing one during the day and one at night.

 

As the previous post mentioned, there's absolutely no way to turn a 787 in 30 minutes. (845 to 915 pm)....

 

What you described is 2 planes. You can't do HKG to both BKK and SGN with a single plane. you can't have a plane taking off at 0900 to BKK and the same plane landing at HKG from SGN at 0935. Its not possible.

Also the BKK plane leaves at 0900 and doesn't get back until 2045. Its being used 12 hours just to do a turn.

Same with SGN. Its gone from 2215 to 0935.

Both planes are flying at the same time.

Plus the flight to Hong Kong is 15 hours there and 13 back. That's 28 hours plus ground time. So even before the plane can land back in LAX you already have another plane flying to HKG.

With the way this is set up there will be a total of 6 planes to service this route. 2 flying to HKG, 2 doing the turns, and 2 flying back.

Its not possible any other way.

 

Not only that you can't have a plane take off at 0900 for one city when its not supposed to land until 0935 from a different one.

 

One plane from the US lands in HKG in the morning and will be used to BKK and back during the day before its return to the US. ANOTHER plane will be landing in HKG from the US in the evening (while the other is doing BKK) and will be used for the SGN round trip section overnight before it has to return to the US the next morning. So two planes that would be sitting for a long time in HKG are going to be used for two additional cities. Each plane from the US is covering an additional destination. Glaring issue with what you wrote: HKG-BKK leaves at 9am. How do you use the same airplane if it won't arrive from SGN until 935am? -35 minute turn? Plus, your own example shows the one returning to HKG at 845pm with the SGN flight leaving HKG at 915pm. 30 minute scheduled turn for the same airplane as the normal routing? Two different planes from the US to do the inter-Asian turns before they are each needed back to the US based on the schedule.