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sailingfun 02-15-2026 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by jdt30 (Post 4003658)
unless you’re discussing Northwest and Republic. One airline had widebodies and the other didn’t. Fence stayed forever.

The fence was a 20 year fence not forever. In addition new widebodies on the property could be bid by republic pilots.

sailingfun 02-15-2026 05:14 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 4003665)
Might as well been forever. The new hires that filled the positions were obviously younger than the Republic pilots so when fence dropped in 2006, there no open positions to bid. Republic pilots were chasing displacements to they could displace into 747 captain.

When the fence came down the top 30% in the widebody categories were mostly already republic pilots. They could bid in on new equipment. Since in general Republic pilots were hired at younger ages they went to the top of a category when they were able to jump the fence.

Flyby1206 02-15-2026 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by ugleeual (Post 4003588)
Plug in all the data and weighted percentages into ChatGPT… that thing will pump out a good list.

All of a sudden Cape Air seniority list pilots wind up as WB CAs.

sl0wr0ll3r 02-15-2026 10:26 AM

It took the USAir/America West debacle for us to finally conclude that the JCBA should come first in the process. After all, we have far more control over how the contract turns out than the seniority list. Letting fallout over a controversial ISL award poison the JCBA effort was costly and foolish. With current Merger and Fragmentation Policy, at least we leverage a collective bargaining agreement before the arbitrators **** everyone off. But we can still waste time fighting over prospective list construction like our opinions mean something.

rickair7777 02-16-2026 03:26 AM


Originally Posted by GPullR (Post 4003502)
there would be zero JB pilots ahead of the top 25%. Almost all have more longevity then JB has been in existence. Have better career expectations, and 80% bring better seat and status. Theres your three pillars that must be looked at.


Originally Posted by usmc-sgt (Post 4003542)
A lot of very experienced arbitrators in this thread so far. I love me a good absolute.

I'm living this scenario now. My research into the history and precedent suggests that GPullR is most likely correct.

Bringing narrowbodies to a widebody merger is like bringing a knife to a gunfight.



Originally Posted by usmc-sgt (Post 4003471)
That wouldn’t happen. That’s what fences are for.

Apparently widebody pilots get both fences *and* preferential seniority treatment

SoFloFlyer 02-16-2026 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4003856)
I'm living this scenario now. My research into the history and precedent suggests that GPullR is most likely correct.

Bringing narrowbodies to a widebody merger is like bringing a knife to a gunfight.




Apparently widebody pilots get both fences *and* preferential seniority treatment

Question is, would it be better to be a NBCA or WBFO in the case of UA pilots

jdt30 02-16-2026 05:20 AM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 4003870)
Question is, would it be better to be a NBCA or WBFO in the case of UA pilots

from my memory from the UAL/CAL merger it didn’t matter. My memory is going though

sailingfun 02-16-2026 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 4003870)
Question is, would it be better to be a NBCA or WBFO in the case of UA pilots

Seat position at the time of a merger is irrelevant. Seniority lists are stove piped placing each pilot in the highest paying seat position they can hold. The stove piped list is what the merged list will be produced from. This prevents leap frogging which is a basic tenant of merging lists.

ReadOnly7 02-16-2026 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 4003875)
Seat position at the time of a merger is irrelevant. Seniority lists are stove piped placing each pilot in the highest paying seat position they can hold. The stove piped list is what the merged list will be produced from. This prevents leap frogging which is a basic tenant of merging lists.

*tenet

fancy words have a bigger impact when you use the correct one.

tenants pay rent.

khergan 02-16-2026 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 4003892)
*tenet

fancy words have a bigger impact when you use the correct one.

tenants pay rent.

Don't be a pedantic douche. He was actually being helpful.


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