CAL recalls
10-25-2010 | 10:48 AM
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Actually,
C. When a pilot is required to train away from his Base and has a scheduled duty free period of forty-eight (48) hours or more during such training, he will be provided on- line, positive space, round trip transportation (PS-5 or comparable class) between the training facility and his home or Base (at the pilot’s option) in order to accommodate his scheduled duty-free period.
This is right out of the contract. PS means positive space, not standby. PS0 is the only "must ride", I have never been bumped from a flight.
C. When a pilot is required to train away from his Base and has a scheduled duty free period of forty-eight (48) hours or more during such training, he will be provided on- line, positive space, round trip transportation (PS-5 or comparable class) between the training facility and his home or Base (at the pilot’s option) in order to accommodate his scheduled duty-free period.
This is right out of the contract. PS means positive space, not standby. PS0 is the only "must ride", I have never been bumped from a flight.
10-25-2010 | 07:31 PM
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Source at the MEC? Thought that would be a company manning decision. I had heard that there was a reasonable possibility of seeing letters from CAL in the Feb-Mar time frame for UAL pilots. Obviously big difference in the two and likely no one but the board knows the answer.
This came from CAL P2P dissemination. "There will be no UAL furloughs recalled to CAL as a result of this system bid."
I personally, hope that we can get as many furloughed pilots back flying as soon as possible. (last summer would have been nice) However, I do not want to see furloughees get their hopes up based on unsubstantiated rumors.
I wish I had better news, but with a projected 1-2% growth for next year it does look like the combined group will need some recalls, just hard to say how many or when.
10-26-2010 | 06:27 AM
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It is most definately a company decision but the company does communicate their intentions with the union.
This came from CAL P2P dissemination. "There will be no UAL furloughs recalled to CAL as a result of this system bid."
I personally, hope that we can get as many furloughed pilots back flying as soon as possible. (last summer would have been nice) However, I do not want to see furloughees get their hopes up based on unsubstantiated rumors.
I wish I had better news, but with a projected 1-2% growth for next year it does look like the combined group will need some recalls, just hard to say how many or when.
This came from CAL P2P dissemination. "There will be no UAL furloughs recalled to CAL as a result of this system bid."
I personally, hope that we can get as many furloughed pilots back flying as soon as possible. (last summer would have been nice) However, I do not want to see furloughees get their hopes up based on unsubstantiated rumors.
I wish I had better news, but with a projected 1-2% growth for next year it does look like the combined group will need some recalls, just hard to say how many or when.
As a result of the staffing numbers on the bid, I think they mean there will be no recall of UAL pilots. But that is just based on the bid. If, after that, some of the CAL pilots have opted not to return or to transition to a COLA, that will change the true numbers returning to the line and THEN there may be more pilot positions still left to fill with offers being made to UAL pilots.
That would be my understanding and wouldn't surprise me if another bid comes out to adjust the recall positions to where they want to go and then the remaining slots offered to UAL pilots.
10-26-2010 | 06:32 AM
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Speaking of semantics, from what I understand, no matter how it goes down....no UAL furloughee gets 'recalled' to CAL, when/if the time comes, they get an offer of employment with CAL (hence no seniority carries over, but the TA made provisions for pay carrying over). FWIW.
10-26-2010 | 07:04 AM
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Speaking of semantics, from what I understand, no matter how it goes down....no UAL furloughee gets 'recalled' to CAL, when/if the time comes, they get an offer of employment with CAL (hence no seniority carries over, but the TA made provisions for pay carrying over). FWIW.
10-26-2010 | 08:02 AM
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It's just a word
Speaking of semantics, from what I understand, no matter how it goes down....no UAL furloughee gets 'recalled' to CAL, when/if the time comes, they get an offer of employment with CAL (hence no seniority carries over, but the TA made provisions for pay carrying over). FWIW.
10-26-2010 | 08:35 AM
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I don't think CAL wants us UAL furloughees, we cost more than the standard newhire pilot, both financially and culturally. We have been seasoned a bit from the street, some of us twice. I would be happy with any fair offer, no one owes us anything. We have all learned to make it on our own, but that does not mean we will take anything. Remember the 2172 grassroots effort at UAL?
And just to clarify, most of us have been furloughed twice; well in excess of 50%.
10-26-2010 | 10:29 AM
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CAL is a subdivision of United Continental Holdings, Inc. While CAL is currently being operated as a separate subdivision from UAL, they are both owned by the same corporate entity. These are NOT two separate companies; they are two subdivisions of one company.
And just to clarify, most of us have been furloughed twice; well in excess of 50%.
And just to clarify, most of us have been furloughed twice; well in excess of 50%.
10-28-2010 | 05:57 PM
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UAL Furloughee Newsflash
You are both talking semantics I think.
As a result of the staffing numbers on the bid, I think they mean there will be no recall of UAL pilots. But that is just based on the bid. If, after that, some of the CAL pilots have opted not to return or to transition to a COLA, that will change the true numbers returning to the line and THEN there may be more pilot positions still left to fill with offers being made to UAL pilots.
That would be my understanding and wouldn't surprise me if another bid comes out to adjust the recall positions to where they want to go and then the remaining slots offered to UAL pilots.
As a result of the staffing numbers on the bid, I think they mean there will be no recall of UAL pilots. But that is just based on the bid. If, after that, some of the CAL pilots have opted not to return or to transition to a COLA, that will change the true numbers returning to the line and THEN there may be more pilot positions still left to fill with offers being made to UAL pilots.
That would be my understanding and wouldn't surprise me if another bid comes out to adjust the recall positions to where they want to go and then the remaining slots offered to UAL pilots.
I got an email from the UAL ALPA Furlough Coordinator yesterday and he said all the CAL furloughees took the recall. The next sentence he said the last CAL pilot will train in February 2011. It stated later in the email that there were 40 positions available for UAL furloughees in March 2011 and beyond from this last bid. The news that UAL would not recall pilots till Fall 2011 was not a big surprise. Only time will tell... 2172 strong.
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