Our sentiments exactly. Problem is none of us understand how this will really play out. Try this on for size...

Our JNC completes the JCBA by December. No arbitration. The reps finally get a hold of it to read. For how long, who knows. Perhaps a day or so. Jay Pierce starts the sell campaign to the reps, not the pilots. The vote ends up being 7 to 2 to send it to the pilot group, (IAH reps vote against). The JCBA is sent to the joint pilot force for ratification. Jay Pierce and Wendy Morse start the joint selling campaign to all the pilots. Pilots have 10 days to vote on the JCBA (Why does this sound familiar?) Hopefully we will get 30 days like it says in the ALPA CBL's. Votes are counted and the results are?????

Does any of this sound familiar?

I don't want to work till I die. Of all the times in our lives, we pilots have something the company wants...to realize the "synergies" of this merger. What price will the company pay for these synergies? They just earned 800 mill plus for God's sake. They have the money for all our needs and then some. Will our union exploit this "need" to its fullest extent? History has shown us the union will cave. Scope will be sold. Retirement will be history. We will all work till we die. Those junior pilots will be lucky to see the left seat.

Me personally....I will vote no just to vote no. I don't need a reason because I know the union won't use this leverage to its fullest extent.

 

And there folks is the reasoned thought (TIC) of the guy behind that ridiculous website. What a douche.

 

Unfortunately, I know even rational pilots who will vote NO just to vote NO because "you never vote YES on the first contract because if management agreed to it it must be good for them." By that logic we would never ever, ever get TAs.

 

If you're gonna fire off a "No" shot, at least aim at a specific target(s). Otherwise you're just wasting your ammo.

 

A specific target? Okay. How about the fact that not one rep has seen any of the completed sections of the contract, specifically R/I and scope. What is Jay Pierce hiding? Back in December 2009, we had an R/I section which included at least some chance for those of us who lost half our pensions to at least recoop part of what we lost. We are hearing rumors that entire section has now been scrapped. It has been reduced to nothing/ no improvements. The lawyer during the recent town hall said they couldn't show the reps the completed sections because it would open up a can of worms. In other words, they would waste valuable time rehashing completed sections. Seems to me you want this JCBA as close to perfect as possible. The time to ask for everything lost is now, not later. I just don't get the rational behind waiting for the reps to see all the completed sections. You either use the time now, or waste it later. I know the UAL pilots are also hurting as far as their pensions. It's time to bring back improvements to the pensions we have earned and ensure those junior pilot will have a pension to look forward to. Hearing the R/I section was scrapped will cause me to vote no. That doesn't mean I won't look at it. The company wants synergies? I want my damn pension restored. THE LOAN IS DUE! Also...BULLET POINTS = NO VOTE

 

Those are pretty strong words calling someone a douche. Thanks. What are you doing to help the situation? Nothing.

 

I stay educated. I verify if possible what I hear. I talk to my reps. And I do not spread unsubstantiated drivel or half truths with a personal agenda.

When you make a defintive statement saying I am doing nothing without even knowing who I am, you show what a true putz you really are.

 

Leaving out all the information again.

First of all, the reps will see the contract in full contract language (just like we will) before it is voted on by the MECs. They can analyze it to death and reject it if they so choose.

Second, where on the conference call or any place has it been said that the R/I section was scrapped? You HEARD it was scrapped? Was this from the guy in the next stall in the restroom?? Another anonymous source.

The JNC is given its mandate by the MEC and by the RLA to negotiate with the company. They have their directions and instructions. The JNC and MECs have laid out what needs to happen. Every little word, sentence and punctuation mark cannot be negotiated by 20+ individuals every single time a proposal is put on the table. As with the pay issue concerns of the United people, one side could continually hold up negotiations. That's why we have a JOINT NC. They decide what to propose and agree to based on OUR needs.

The MEC and YOU will make a final determination if it is good enough when you see the language. Jay doesn't vote when the MEC decides to send out the TA or not.

 

Your basing your diatribe on rumors? Why not attach your name to this document then we can see who is really running around spreading rumors and innuendos?

 

Seems like this entire subject is rumors as of now.