Cal mec special update (scope)
11-10-2010, 06:06 PM
#11
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: A320 Cap
Posts: 2,282
Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
There is no contract violation here. CAL has been putting the CAL code on Mesa and Skywest 70 and 90 seaters for quite a while now....
11-10-2010, 06:08 PM
#12
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: A320 Cap
Posts: 2,282
Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
They are putting on their game face to keep the natives happy...In the end, there will be United Express 70 seaters in every United hub...
11-10-2010, 06:19 PM
#13
Need More Callouts
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: Unbridled Enthusiasm
Posts: 2,143
Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
They are putting on their game face to keep the natives happy...In the end, there will be United Express 70 seaters in every United hub...
What a sad life you must have lived to find so much glee in breaking someone else's contractual rights. Good thing there isn't a strike in OO's future as I'm sure you'd be one of the first to receive a 21 clicker salute.
11-10-2010, 06:24 PM
#14
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: CRJ200 Capt.
Posts: 822
Originally Posted by 757Driver
Wow,
What a sad life you must have lived to find so much glee in breaking someone else's contractual rights. Good thing there isn't a strike in OO's future as I'm sure you'd be one of the first to receive a 21 clicker salute.
What a sad life you must have lived to find so much glee in breaking someone else's contractual rights. Good thing there isn't a strike in OO's future as I'm sure you'd be one of the first to receive a 21 clicker salute.
I don't work for Skywest by the way...I'm just tired of the hypocrits at CAL labeling people scabs who aren't scabs....Go ahead and label the furloughed United pilots who will be flying this flying in IAH as "scabs"...Go ahead and deny these furloughed United pilots the jumpseat...
11-10-2010, 06:39 PM
#15
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Skeptical
Posts: 378
Originally Posted by Nevets
There seems to be a lot of animosity against the Skywest pilots but not for the Shuttle America pilots. My guess is its because Skywest pilots have repeatedly voted down ALPA representation and independent union representation. I wouldn't be surprised if ALPA has reached out to the Shuttle America pilots through the IBT to coordinate whatever strategy they come up with to fight this.
Originally Posted by Golden Bear
How is it any better if your flying is outsourced by union vs. non-union pilots, unless you think the union (or unionism, since those group are not even represented by the same union) is more important than the pilots and the jobs? Seems like that relationship is a bit upside down.
Your idea that CAL ALPA is reaching out to Republic's IBT to strategize sounds nice in the ideal union brotherhood fairy-land, but CAL and UAL (both ALPA) can't even seem to see eye-to-eye to solve their own in-house problems, and nothing along those lines of what you postulate has been indicated by CAL's or Republic's unions.
The SkyWest SAPA president HAS stated that he has reached out to CAL ALPA to establish a line of communication, FWIW.
Your idea that CAL ALPA is reaching out to Republic's IBT to strategize sounds nice in the ideal union brotherhood fairy-land, but CAL and UAL (both ALPA) can't even seem to see eye-to-eye to solve their own in-house problems, and nothing along those lines of what you postulate has been indicated by CAL's or Republic's unions.
The SkyWest SAPA president HAS stated that he has reached out to CAL ALPA to establish a line of communication, FWIW.
11-10-2010, 07:18 PM
#16
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: Capt. B737
Posts: 329
who's pilot group elected a scab as their MEC Chairman...
11-10-2010, 07:35 PM
#17
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: UAL 2172
Posts: 72
Get a Clue.
Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
...says the pilot from the ALPA carrier with the most scabs of any ALPA carrier and who's pilot group elected a scab as their MEC Chairman...
I don't work for Skywest by the way...I'm just tired of the hypocrits at CAL labeling people scabs who aren't scabs....Go ahead and label the furloughed United pilots who will be flying this flying in IAH as "scabs"...Go ahead and deny these furloughed United pilots the jumpseat...
I don't work for Skywest by the way...I'm just tired of the hypocrits at CAL labeling people scabs who aren't scabs....Go ahead and label the furloughed United pilots who will be flying this flying in IAH as "scabs"...Go ahead and deny these furloughed United pilots the jumpseat...
Being a two time UAL furloughee, I am fed up with your chatter. You sound like a happy guy who loves to stir the pot. I probably have done more battle in my airline career before you were in Kindergarten and take total offense to the "Scab" comment. 2172 Strong..
11-10-2010, 07:58 PM
#18
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
And your idea that an organization that is not recognized by the NMB to be the legal representative of a pilot group reaching out to CAL ALPA sounds nice in your ideal non-union brotherhood fairly land but until Skywest pilots get their heads out of the sand and want to participate in this discussion by finally unionizing like the vast majority of those in our profession. But where was SAPA when DD was fighting to get his job back? Where was SAPA's team of attorneys representing DD at court? See, I can play the strawman argument as well. The ONE disagreement on pay banding between UALPA and CALPA does not mean they are not united on scope.
The point is that the ALPA SPSC committee is fully spooled up on this. This committee is comprised of pilots from many different types of airlines. The whole purpose of the SPSC is to coordinate strategy and tactics between multiple pilot groups. Pilots of multiple airlines are being coordinated to fight this scope violation. Skywest pilots find themselves in the middle of a battlefield without any real say. Someone used the term collateral damage before. I think that is a very good analogy for this situation.
Do you want to be part of the solution or put your head back in the sand while everyone else is fighting this battle?
The point is that the ALPA SPSC committee is fully spooled up on this. This committee is comprised of pilots from many different types of airlines. The whole purpose of the SPSC is to coordinate strategy and tactics between multiple pilot groups. Pilots of multiple airlines are being coordinated to fight this scope violation. Skywest pilots find themselves in the middle of a battlefield without any real say. Someone used the term collateral damage before. I think that is a very good analogy for this situation.
Do you want to be part of the solution or put your head back in the sand while everyone else is fighting this battle?
Originally Posted by Golden Bear
Netvets, since you copied-and-pasted your Deep Thoughts from the other thread, I will do the same with my response:
Originally Posted by Golden Bear
How is it any better if your flying is outsourced by union vs. non-union pilots, unless you think the union (or unionism, since those group are not even represented by the same union) is more important than the pilots and the jobs? Seems like that relationship is a bit upside down.
Your idea that CAL ALPA is reaching out to Republic's IBT to strategize sounds nice in the ideal union brotherhood fairy-land, but CAL and UAL (both ALPA) can't even seem to see eye-to-eye to solve their own in-house problems, and nothing along those lines of what you postulate has been indicated by CAL's or Republic's unions.
The SkyWest SAPA president HAS stated that he has reached out to CAL ALPA to establish a line of communication, FWIW.
Originally Posted by Golden Bear
How is it any better if your flying is outsourced by union vs. non-union pilots, unless you think the union (or unionism, since those group are not even represented by the same union) is more important than the pilots and the jobs? Seems like that relationship is a bit upside down.
Your idea that CAL ALPA is reaching out to Republic's IBT to strategize sounds nice in the ideal union brotherhood fairy-land, but CAL and UAL (both ALPA) can't even seem to see eye-to-eye to solve their own in-house problems, and nothing along those lines of what you postulate has been indicated by CAL's or Republic's unions.
The SkyWest SAPA president HAS stated that he has reached out to CAL ALPA to establish a line of communication, FWIW.
11-10-2010, 07:59 PM
#19
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: 737 capt
Posts: 335
Originally Posted by gettinbumped
It ain't a United hub yet. No UAL pilot can bid to fly out of IAH, EWR, or CLE.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
