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Old 04-12-2011 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Tony Nelson
Postponed until Thursday.
Thanx Tony
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Old 04-12-2011 | 09:09 AM
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That it was but I couldn't write it all on the iPhone while driving in traffic. the ESOP was a deal that anyone with a 9h grade education wouldn't have voted for.
But, if you could have that ESOP contract today would you refuse to take it? Or, when you are out on the street next year, looking at scabs flying over your head, will you wish you had an ESOP to control your own destiny.

No argument that the "94" version of ESOP was badly flawed. It failed because the union leadership that followed the founders were mostly inept. They did not understand that everyone except for the pilots were trying to kill it. Nevertheless, except for 911, you would probably have a more palatable version of ESOP now and have avoided bankruptcy.

Owning the company stock was not our goal, although the SWA guys did very well with that concept. Our goal was raw power, unfortunately, the tree huggers saw it differently, as an attempt to make a workers paradise. The ESOP failure is the prime example of a disinterested membership electing the wrong leadership.

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Old 04-12-2011 | 09:42 AM
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please don't act like you got everybody back to work that ws done by the courts not you.
The short answer, the lawyers said we would win in court ("85"), we did not. We were forced to reverse the 570 seniority to save their jobs ("87"), we did. Dubinsky extorted their rightful seniority back by refusing to fly the 400's("89").

Read the appeals court decison of Judge Bua's order. The court's will always be a part of the collective bargaining dynamics, the current ridicules TRO clearly demonstrates we have few friends in that arena.

Yes i do know the war was not over however most alpa members sure acted like it was.
You might not say that if you had to sit in a SFO federal court room, defending against charges of scab harassment. But, I agree, apathy increased significantly as the strikers left the property.
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Old 04-12-2011 | 11:28 AM
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Paying too much for something you don't want and can't sell I think I'll pass.
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Old 04-12-2011 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Nelson
Postponed until Thursday.
Wow.....sounds just like our contract negotiations............hurry up and wait, hurry up and wait.
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Old 04-12-2011 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Baron50
The short answer, the lawyers said we would win in court ("85"), we did not. We were forced to reverse the 570 seniority to save their jobs ("87"), we did. Dubinsky extorted their rightful seniority back by refusing to fly the 400's("89").

Read the appeals court decison of Judge Bua's order. The court's will always be a part of the collective bargaining dynamics, the current ridicules TRO clearly demonstrates we have few friends in that arena.



You might not say that if you had to sit in a SFO federal court room, defending against charges of scab harassment. But, I agree, apathy increased significantly as the strikers left the property.
I was one of the "defendants" in SFO Federal Court back in '89 or so. It was quite an experience. The scab whom accused me of "harassment and intimidation" actually had made his notes on hotel note pads.

Ultimately, he lost his case because the judge ruled that he was being ostracized not because he was a scab but because he was a ƥʀɨɔƙ.

Case closed

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Old 04-12-2011 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by throttleweenie
I was one of the "defendants" in SFO Federal Court back in '89 or so. It was quite an experience. The scab whom accused me of "harassment and intimidation" actually had made his notes on hotel note pads.

Ultimately, he lost his case because the judge ruled that he was being ostracized not because he was a scab but because he was a ƥʀɨɔƙ.

Case closed

TW
Our justice system. You got to go to court to confirm that a scab is also a prick.

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Old 04-12-2011 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking
Sorry for the position your 2x furloughed friend is in, but he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. United management would be shocked if they knew the true sentiment on the line.
What line would that be -- the soup line?
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Old 04-14-2011 | 01:42 PM
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Bueller??Bueller??Bueller???...
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Old 04-14-2011 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by uaav8r
Bueller??Bueller??Bueller???...

Wondering the same thing, and how Moak followed this act!

9 a.m.: Agenda Item on Recall of the Master Chairman
9:15 a.m.: Captain Lee Moak, President, ALPA International
10:15 a.m.: Agenda Items
Noon: Lunch
1:30 p.m.: Agenda Items
4 p.m.: Recess to Subcommittee
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