EWRflyr

True, BUT if you are within 4.5 hours of guarantee you can call scheduling to be released for the remainder of your reserve days in a month. If they don't you simply ask that they note that on your schedule (think it will show "MMPG" on the day). From that day forward you get 4.5 hours per day of pay for each reserve day or the flying/DH you do whichever is greater. Still means you are sitting reserve, but you aren't out some pay with it.

iadfo

seven times, you are bypassed after 4 if someone else is available.

13n144e

Sorry, but your being furloughed doesn't mean I can't disagree with your opinions. This JCBA is seriously derailed, but to put the whole blame on Pierce and the events of the last week is just ridiculous. I'm also sorry if UAL's not recalling but that's neither Pierce's nor CAL's fault. In fact we pretty much went out of our way to help out with that by recalling your furloughees (your welcome). If that's not to your liking, fine, no problem. But please don't try to blame one minute of your unfortunate situation on anyone but the airline your so eager to return to. Whether you care to believe it or not, I really feel pretty bad for you guys. But you were misinformed if you were pinning your hopes on any kind of quick resolution to the JCBA. And it's only going to get worse, as neither side has any kind of contractual provisions to prevent the company from terminating (already been done) the domicile protections in the TPA. The result, I'm guessing, will be a collective tantrum. I imagine you'll blame Pierce and/or CAL (apparently anyone but UAL) but it won't make UAL recall any sooner. The one "work rule" that will help you out the most is if we can retain the CAL scope clause.

gettinbumped

Good discussion of life at both sides.

One thing that has been bothering me is management has managed to convince us that the UAL work rules are "the holy grail", and we are in an 11 month fight to keep them. Please do remember that our UAL work rules are BANCRUPTCY work rules, and FAR worse than what we used to have. If we manage to retain UAL work rules, this is not a "win". It may be better than what you folks have been enduring over at CAL, but they are a far cry from what we had before the massive concessions.

Blockoutblockin

Exactly! And on the flip side is our pay vs. your pay. Just to achieve parity from the hits L-CAL pilots have suffered would require arguably over a 50% increase. I too see the management spin and an effort to play each side. All the more reason not to take pot shots at each other or impugn the integrity of our union leadership.

iadfo

That's the first time I've heard that. Very good to know.

APC225

Works great. And you must call, not automatic. Never released but got pay above MPG 5 months running. Be forewarned that once you're on extra pay you are first to fly no matter what, and productive trips to boot. Like a rig, if you're getting paid 4.5 a day anyway they're not going to let you sit. Where is this in the contract that you fly first? Not in seniority or FIFO order? It's not. Just one of the many "policies" they've made up.

iadfo

Can you aggressively pick up trips as an A reserve in this situation?

APC225

Not likely. In fact if you are going to get into the pay or release range, you will be "leveled" (again not in contract but just a word and policy made up). If they can help it they will not fly you the rest of the month. I tried this once and they were very clear that they could not give me the trip because it would put me within 4.5 of mpg. They ran out of reserves later in month and had to fly me anyway.

Andy

13n144e, what do YOU want to be thanked for? That LCAL is hiring LUAL furloughees? That agreement was signed years ago prior to a merger agreement when both LUAL and LCAL had furloughed pilots. Management agreed to it because it was in their interest to do so. No bargaining capital was spent by either UALALPA or CALALPA so stop trying to make anyone out to be a hero.
I've been told many times by the union that the company furloughed me. On the same note, the company isn't hiring me or any other furloughee out of the goodness of their hearts or by any leverage expended by ALPA. The company needs pilots and is trying to reduce future problems by giving preferential hiring to furloughed LUAL subsidiary pilots. Period. If you are unable to foresee future problems for UCH if they chose to hire off of the street rather than furloughees, you are trying to play checkers when others are playing chess.

As for the other issues that SCR spoke of, I disagree with him. I think that kravit's rants are not only a distortion of the truth but also have nothing to do with a failure to complete a JCBA. But that's for another thread.