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Old 02-09-2012 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by catan
Paybanding is only an issue for SLI. Trying to take from the top and give to another group or cause is a mistake. We are not socialist!!!!
We're a Union. Of course we're socialist.
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Old 02-09-2012 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by catan
Paybanding is only an issue for SLI. Trying to take from the top and give to another group or cause is a mistake. We are not socialist!!!!
Uhhhhhh, yeah we are. What do you think a union does? Funny how you and others here think that pay banding is taking from the top when most airlines experience the reverse. Pay the top at the expense of the bottom. Or did you forget the 1437 at UAL? Or the 148 that CAL had? Or the frozen "A" fund at CAL? Or the CAL lump sum checks to get the senior guys to retire? Or age 65?
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Old 02-09-2012 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CALFO
We're a Union. Of course we're socialist.
You may be right, but when you throw in seniority it changes. I will not willingly give up my pay to please you and an idealistic form of socialism.
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Old 02-09-2012 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by EWR73FO
Uhhhhhh, yeah we are. What do you think a union does? Funny how you and others here think that pay banding is taking from the top when most airlines experience the reverse. Pay the top at the expense of the bottom. Or did you forget the 1437 at UAL? Or the 148 that CAL had? Or the frozen "A" fund at CAL? Or the CAL lump sum checks to get the senior guys to retire? Or age 65?
You just don't like being junior. That's ok, you just can't steal from me!
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Old 02-09-2012 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by catan
Paybanding is only an issue for SLI. Trying to take from the top and give to another group or cause is a mistake. We are not socialist!!!!
"Someone" who resides in a Large House that sits on a "1600" Block located somewhere in the District of Columbia may argue with you.....Expounding further may bestow a TOC violation, thus I digress.

November 6th, 2012 please hurry.
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Old 02-09-2012 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCalGuy
"Someone" who resides in a Large House that sits on a "1600" Block located in the District of Columbia may argue with you.

November 6th, 2012 please hurry.

Expounding further may bestow a TOC violation, thus I digress.
True.
Just because the word "socialist" was used in a sentence, let's not force this thread to the boneyard by going further down that road.

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Old 02-09-2012 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by CALFO
Have you ever negotiated anything larger than a new car? It comes down to the bottom line. Every single item in a TA has been costed out to the penny. There is a bottom line number that we can extract from the company and it doesn't matter (in their eyes) where those costs come from.
Yes. Every item has been costed out to the penny...you're so right Mr. Buffet.

However. EVERY PENNY SAVED BY THE COMPANY FROM THESE "COSTS" GOES BACK TO THE COMAPNY IN THE FORM OF A BONUS FOR THE NEGOTIATORS. EXTRACTION IS THEIR JOB!

Very similar to that $40 million going back to the "company" had you choose not to accept it. Isn't that what youve been told?

The next time I'm negotiating for that car, I sure hope you're across the table.
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Old 02-09-2012 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SOTeric
Very similar to that $40 million going back to the "company" had you choose not to accept it. Isn't that what youve been told?
Do you know something different? Please enlighten us.
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Old 02-09-2012 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SOTeric
EXTRACTION IS THEIR JOB!
Agreed.

The company most certainly doesn't give the union a max number, set in stone, to divide up as they see fit. Everything is a battle. Everything is a negotiation when they can't force an outcome. They're in the business of minimizing, while we attempt to maximize. Period.
That is what they're paid to do.

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Old 02-10-2012 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot
Gotta agree with this one! You don't see the UPS guys chasing the pay since they don't need to! What's even funnier is that a friend of mine who's a captain there got DOWNGRADED from the 75 to the MD-11 to the B747! Interesting eh? And he's still making the same amount of money! THAT is how it should be. Some like the longhaul flying and others don't...............so why should we be penalized (monetarily) for the type of flying we do?
My best friend works for UPS. Been there the same time as I have been with CAL. He makes almost 60% more than I do in hourly rates alone. Add to that more per diem, international pay, night pay, etc. etc.

True, it could be considered "different" flying but as the unions advocated with FT/DT rules, a pilot is a pilot is a pilot.
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