Not surprisingly, you didn't print the couple paragraphs prior to that where he advocated something more substantial before he continued with, "At a minimum..."

Well played.

 

Lee,

Thanks for the factual post. I wasn't aware of any option for A320's. Still doesn't explain why those options weren't exercised earlier.

 

I don't see what your seeing. His dissention is almost entirely based on those east pilots that were recalled after the merger announcement and before the award. Most of whom at the time of the announcement were flying for MidAtlantic (a division of AAA).

For those that may be interested.

http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/atta...on%20Award.pdf

 

Rumors are the 42 A320 are coming....I believe it when I see them on the tarmac...

 

How does hashing it out on a board benefit anything?

 

FWIW, the current delivery slots are for 2013-14. It's getting pretty close to the time when UAL will need to fish-or-cut-bait for 2013, but these aircraft have been renegotiated several times so another change would not be surprising. In addition, UAL already paid the deposits but later wrote the value of the deposits off the books to follow accounting rules so if these birds ever appear they will be accompanied by a positive accounting change.

Airbus has the United options listed in their downloadable spreadsheet here.

 

Lee,

I'm with you. Even if we do get them, what are they replacing? Growth is not in their vocabulary.

 

Well, you can go ahead with those career expectations (they may be higher, but how realistic were they?) We'll call the whole thing off, and I'll take CAL's business plan and fleet, and you can have UAL's

I still haven't seen any real quote from anyone at UAL Mgt. about "right sizing" for anything. Where is that anyway ?

 

Speedtape

My post was all about the facts, and whether you care or not is your issue. what I was observing on this growing ridiculous thread is comments like yours, "Well, you can go ahead with those career expectations" and the others who are arguing about stuff they only have an inkling about.

The ISL will be arbitrated, which means everyone's expectations will be dashed with one exception, the most Jr. Captains at LCAL, they will make out like bandits. That is a fact none of us will be able to avoid and argue against.

As far as the orders for 320s goes I have another fact for you. UAL is currently in negotiations for the next generation of narrow body jets. It is no hidden secret it is between the 320 NEO and the B737 MAX. Additional there are many indications some sort of 90 seater are in the mix, but I wouldn't bet on anything.

So show a little human compassion for those who went before you, got furloughed and may end up junior to you. I have discovered after over three decades at this business the old proverb, "What goes around comes around," is true.

Oh you might go back and check on this fact; when LCAL original ordered the 787s and 737-900s being taken delivery this year they did not have financing in place (it was just completed this past week based on the strength of the combined airline), while LUAL's orders for 2013??? have financing in place.

"Just the facts mam"

 

Let's see...

"Graham Atkinson, executive vice president at United and president of the airline’s Mileage Plus frequent flyer programme said, “The current conditions are too brutal to keep on flying capacity that isn’t needed. We have got to size the airline to the new reality.”

"Chairman, President and CEO Glenn Tilton said the "aggressive steps. . . demonstrate our commitment to size our business appropriately to reflect the current market reality, leverage capacity discipline to pass commodity costs on to customers, develop new revenue streams and continue to reduce nonfuel costs and capital expenditures."

In a message to employees, COO John Tague said the cuts are necessary "to assure United's long-term viability." He explained that retirement of the 737 fleet will "dramatically simplify our fleet and reduce our maintenance liability." Further, the retirements will remove the "oldest and least fuel-efficient jets" from service, reducing the average age of UA's fleet by 1.3 years to 11.8 years. " I said this... "3. Right sizing was done because the industry was unsustainable at those current levels. The Finance boys at the top said, "raise ticket prices," which means "capacity control/discipline."