Classic...

 

Guess they dont care at LUAL because they still are guaranteed 12 days off for the month and they are paid 2.8 hours for the training day. (which still sucks)

 

Pretty easy...........I'm on reserve..............I have to go on two of my DAYS OFF (since I only get 12 a month, I'm now down to 10, and add another and I'm down to 9!) We only get a pittance for our annual training events, but you guys want us to work another day for even less.

 

Ours were only two, and now they're three. Can't quite understand why they've changed as two days has worked for eons.

 

L-UAL pilots BEWARE.

When I read Otto's "two seperate contracts proposal" I shudder in disbelief. Take a short guess on how long it would take for CAL's saviors to be licking their chops over your most coveted flying.

I've smelled and been victimized by this stench my entire career. It wouldn't take two bid months for CAL to offer premium pay, line divisor relief up to 120 hours a month under special emergency FAA exemption and blessing and a virtual stampede to fly L-UAL routes and maybe even iron. Within a year, most if not all L-UAL flying would be transferred to "more efficient" L-CAL, while you guys worked out your "differences with the company".

I just hope that you don't lump us all into the same cesspool...

Tomorrow will be the test.

 

Found it .. from the Continental Contract '02:


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Part 6 - Labor Disputes
A. It will not be a violation of the Agreement, and it will not be cause for discharge,
permanent replacement or any other disciplinary action if any Continental Pilot:
1. Refuses to operate “struck-work Company Flights,” meaning that:
a. The pilots of a carrier party to a Code-Share Agreement, Marketing
Agreement, Reciprocal Livery Agreement, or Revenue/Profit Sharing
Agreement are engaged in a lawful strike, and
b. In any rolling thirty (30) day period following the commencement of
the strike, the Company increases flights under the applicable
agreement and/or flights operated under the designator code of the
struck carrier or its Affiliates, measured against such Company flying
during the thirty (30) day period that ends two (2) full months before
the commencement of the strike; provided that this provision will not
apply to increased flights that were scheduled by the Company prior to
and irrespective of the existence of the lawful strike.
Provided, that it will not be considered to be performing struck-work Company
Flights to expand Company flying from Company Hubs or to continue to
transport passengers and/or cargo or mail within its route structure on its own
aircraft so long as the code or other designation of the struck carrier is not
placed on additional Company flights as described in Paragraph 1, and for any
such expanded flying of the Company:
a. The Company receives all of the revenue for the services it performs,
and
b. No financial benefit accrues to the struck carrier as a result of the
Company’s performance of such services, and
Section 1 - Recognition and Scope Part 7 - Successorship, Asset Sales and Mergers
1-14
c. City pairs operated by the struck carrier are not initiated by the
Company during the strike at the request of the struck carrier, or
2. Refuses to cross or chooses to honor the lawful picket lines of employees
employed by the Company, or any Affiliate of the Company; or
3. Refuses to undergo training or perform pilot work or services on the property
of another carrier during a lawful strike by that carrier’s pilots; or
4. Refuses to perform training of pilots for service as strike replacement pilots.
B. From the effective date of the Agreement through thirty (30) days following the date,
if any, that the parties are released from mediation by the National Mediation Board in
connection with negotiations for a successor Agreement (the “Release Date”), the
Association, including but not limited to its directors, officers, representatives and
agents, will not engage in, promote, or cause any strike or work stoppage at the
Company or Continental Micronesia, Inc., including but not limited to sympathy
strikes or recognition of picket lines at the Company or Continental Micronesia, Inc.,
and the Association will not otherwise support picket lines established at the Company
or Continental Micronesia, Inc., or cause any other organized job action at either such
company, provided, however, that this Paragraph B does not restrict the Association
and its directors, officers, representatives, and agents, from advising the Pilots of the
existence of a strike, picket line, or other labor dispute, and their rights with respect
thereto, or engaging in, promoting or causing any strike, work stoppage, refusal to
perform work or training, or refusal to cross a picket line permitted under Paragraph
A, and provided further that this Paragraph B applies to Continental Micronesia, Inc.
only as long as Continental Micronesia, Inc. flying is covered by the Agreement under
Part 3, Paragraph A.
C. The commitment stated in Paragraph B above will be inapplicable as of the Release
Date without regard to whether the parties are then engaged in collective bargaining
under the Act. The Company waives any claim that the commitment stated in
Paragraph B above remains applicable on or after the Release Date pursuant to the
Act’s status quo provisions or otherwise. During the period that the commitment in
Paragraph B above remains inapplicable, it is acknowledged that the Agreement will
contain no contractual prohibition on the ability of the Association and the pilots to
honor lawful picket lines.


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Continenal pilots are not compelled to cross a legal picket line. So, the "oh, I had to cross because my contract requires it" excuse won't fly. For anybody thinking they'd cross, don't ever hope to ride a jumpseat of an ALPA carrier again.

 

Crossers never put themselves in the need of a jumpseat.

You don't think that threat was made in '83? Didn't even slow anyone down. TO TOP IT OFF THEY"VE ALL BEEN FORGIVEN BY ALPA AND MOST WEAR PINS!!!!!

 

CB,

It's refreshing to hear your viewpoint and I'm sure that yours is not a minority voice. I hope like hell its the majority. As far as your caution, I hear you loud and clear. From what I have read here I agree with you and I am amazed at some guys opinions.

Let's hope we share a beer someday while toiling under an industry leading contract and "uniformly horrible" SLI.

 

^^^^^Yeah, good luck with that!!^^^^^

Unfortunately there's plenty of CAL-SCABS abound that wouldn't give two chits with regards the CBA provisions above. After all, they've already proved first hand that they can't be trusted as evidence of their actions years prior. I'm sure these SAME "boys/girls" would even punch the accelerator enough to run over their own mother while leaving their drive-ways to make the show times for the struck work.

When the rubber meets the road......In their minds, the above POS-CBA excerpt does not apply to "them" if it "benefits" them.....circa, '83-'85.

Pathetic

 

That sounds like a problem with your contract...not with training.