April 30th released date?
04-20-2012, 10:00 AM
#211
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Originally Posted by horrido27
Building off of our earlier communications this week about the potential of seeking an April 30 release in response to Management's continued efforts put the negotiations in a holding pattern, I wanted to update you on some specific steps we have taken.
In particular, I want you to know that we have assembled the most highly-qualified campaign team to bolster our strategic approach and complement our ability to execute our long-term game plan.
Leading the effort is Jon Yarowksy, a partner at Patton Boggs in Washington, DC who is a former senior White House advisor to President Clinton, former General Counsel to the House Judiciary Committee (where he provided advice Members of Congress and Leadership) and very close to both the Obama White House and key players on the Hill (he was also a tailback for UCLA in the mid-seventies).
Working with Jon on the communications side is Chris Lehane and Mark Fabiani of Fabiani & Lehane. Mark and Chris are both former Clinton White House advisors, served as aides to Vice President Al Gore and are well-known Democratic operatives who have helped run various presidential, gubernatorial and senatorial campaigns.
Working with them, we have developed a comprehensive campaign to fight for all United pilots that will be called “The Unfriendly Skies."
Jon, Mark and Chris all worked together in the Clinton White House and have collaborated on successful efforts over the years. They are aggressive and proactive - and have a very simple philosophy: Play to Win.
“The Unfriendly Skies" campaign, which was discussed in a recent labor meeting in Chicago, is scheduled to be launched in conjunction with the summer travel season and will focus on the company's off-shoring of flights and out-sourcing of pilot jobs.
The campaign is expected to focus on issues such as the compromised safety for passengers and loss of jobs for America’s pilots. Additionally, we intend to have a specific social media effort designed to pro-actively reach out to consumers in order to minimize any possible disruption in their summer travel plans.
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The above is the message from the UAL MEC Chair from 18 April 2012.
Again, your MEC has decided to break the "Joint" Negotiations.. not the CAL MEC.
You want to try and decert the CAL MEC, I say go for it. But at the same time, be careful what you wish for and since you think that ALPA National will side with you, why don't you try and pull that trigger.
Did JH consult with ALPA National before pulling the Release trigger?
Did the UAL MEC have a joint meeting last week to approve this release timetable?
Why hasn't one UAL Pilot answered any of those questions?
Again.. not one CAL Pilot EVER talked about going it alone- until your MEC put out a message that basically states their desire to be released by a certain timeline if their demands aren't met.
Your MEC put out a News Blast the other night detailing what they have done to start THEIR campaign; "The Unfriendly Skies".
Your MEC is the one that pulled the Release trigger prematurely, without consulting the CAL MEC.
There won't be any strike of one side that would give the other side a chance to cross a picket line. And the majority of the pilots I know on the CAL side would not cross a line if it ever happened anyway.
But what may happen, and wouldn't surprise me if it does- is the "New United" trying to get a separate deal now (which is kinda what you want, it seems) on the CAL side and then to continue to grow the CAL side to the detriment of the UAL side.
{I hope I'm wrong on this~}
Again, if that happens we will merely have to look back onto April 2012 to see where the blame lies.
Motch
In particular, I want you to know that we have assembled the most highly-qualified campaign team to bolster our strategic approach and complement our ability to execute our long-term game plan.
Leading the effort is Jon Yarowksy, a partner at Patton Boggs in Washington, DC who is a former senior White House advisor to President Clinton, former General Counsel to the House Judiciary Committee (where he provided advice Members of Congress and Leadership) and very close to both the Obama White House and key players on the Hill (he was also a tailback for UCLA in the mid-seventies).
Working with Jon on the communications side is Chris Lehane and Mark Fabiani of Fabiani & Lehane. Mark and Chris are both former Clinton White House advisors, served as aides to Vice President Al Gore and are well-known Democratic operatives who have helped run various presidential, gubernatorial and senatorial campaigns.
Working with them, we have developed a comprehensive campaign to fight for all United pilots that will be called “The Unfriendly Skies."
Jon, Mark and Chris all worked together in the Clinton White House and have collaborated on successful efforts over the years. They are aggressive and proactive - and have a very simple philosophy: Play to Win.
“The Unfriendly Skies" campaign, which was discussed in a recent labor meeting in Chicago, is scheduled to be launched in conjunction with the summer travel season and will focus on the company's off-shoring of flights and out-sourcing of pilot jobs.
The campaign is expected to focus on issues such as the compromised safety for passengers and loss of jobs for America’s pilots. Additionally, we intend to have a specific social media effort designed to pro-actively reach out to consumers in order to minimize any possible disruption in their summer travel plans.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++
The above is the message from the UAL MEC Chair from 18 April 2012.
Again, your MEC has decided to break the "Joint" Negotiations.. not the CAL MEC.
You want to try and decert the CAL MEC, I say go for it. But at the same time, be careful what you wish for and since you think that ALPA National will side with you, why don't you try and pull that trigger.
Did JH consult with ALPA National before pulling the Release trigger?
Did the UAL MEC have a joint meeting last week to approve this release timetable?
Why hasn't one UAL Pilot answered any of those questions?
Again.. not one CAL Pilot EVER talked about going it alone- until your MEC put out a message that basically states their desire to be released by a certain timeline if their demands aren't met.
Your MEC put out a News Blast the other night detailing what they have done to start THEIR campaign; "The Unfriendly Skies".
Your MEC is the one that pulled the Release trigger prematurely, without consulting the CAL MEC.
There won't be any strike of one side that would give the other side a chance to cross a picket line. And the majority of the pilots I know on the CAL side would not cross a line if it ever happened anyway.
But what may happen, and wouldn't surprise me if it does- is the "New United" trying to get a separate deal now (which is kinda what you want, it seems) on the CAL side and then to continue to grow the CAL side to the detriment of the UAL side.
{I hope I'm wrong on this~}
Again, if that happens we will merely have to look back onto April 2012 to see where the blame lies.
Motch
You may have been in negotiations longer, but we have been living under a Bankrupcy contract for almost a decade. I'm not willing to wait any longer. The time is now
04-20-2012, 11:15 AM
#213
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Motch,
One more thing. I do understand the consternation with the other side taking unilateral action, as we felt the same with regards to JP "going rogue" with profit sharing and TPA issues. Clearly not the ideal. So can't we just say both sides are guilty of such, get together and get on board? AA pilot and USAirways management have a TA and they don't even have a merger yet!!!!!! How many weeks did it take for that TA to be settled? Enough is enough. I really REALLY hope your MEC and pilot group agree and issue a supportive direction.
One more thing. I do understand the consternation with the other side taking unilateral action, as we felt the same with regards to JP "going rogue" with profit sharing and TPA issues. Clearly not the ideal. So can't we just say both sides are guilty of such, get together and get on board? AA pilot and USAirways management have a TA and they don't even have a merger yet!!!!!! How many weeks did it take for that TA to be settled? Enough is enough. I really REALLY hope your MEC and pilot group agree and issue a supportive direction.
04-20-2012, 01:26 PM
#215
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
............... So can't we just say both sides are guilty of such, get together and get on board? ..................
04-20-2012, 01:43 PM
#217
SLI best wishes!
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Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot
And now you're (L-UAL) making it even worse..........................
04-20-2012, 01:48 PM
#218
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Airhoss..
So now I'm "Scab Behavior" because I've told my Rep that I will support them if we are forced to go it alone?
Nice.
So now I'm "Scab Behavior" because I've told my Rep that I will support them if we are forced to go it alone?
Nice.
PM sent.
04-20-2012, 01:48 PM
#219
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Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot
Well that would be fine and dandy, but aren't you taking legal action against us for the PS debacle? .................... Hard to be friends when you're wanting to take us to court............................
04-20-2012, 02:10 PM
#220
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Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot
And now you're (L-UAL) making it even worse..........................
**caveat to my training pay -- it's 5hr/day since it was added after Apr schedules were posted...I'm returning from mil lv and gave them the required 2 weeks notice.**
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