Geez I just don't know.

 

Regular guy... are we reading the same thread?
There has been one CAL Pilot (OttoL..) that has been pro going it alone (to a point).

I do NOT want to go it alone, and would have fully supported a release when the time was right, as a Joint decision.
Your MEC has put out a request for release. Singular.
Nothing Joint about his request, nor the follow-on MEC News about a committee being set up to have an "Unfriendly Skies" campaign this summer.

Just wondering why you think CAL Pilots now want a separate contract instead of a Joint CBA.

If we go separate, both sides will lose. Do you really think the New United Management is going to give you guys a great deal first and then negoiate with the CAL side? Just the opposite.. (I bet).
The New United Management will probably give the CAL Side some sort of so-so deal just to keep things moving in the right direction, and then start to shift more flying to us from you. Something that I do not want to see.. but if we go down separate paths, might happen.

If that does happen, and in a year or two we are asking "*** Happened?!", remember April 2012. The time when (for whatever reason?) you MEC pulled the trigger and singularly asked for a timeline for release and started down this road.

Had this been a Joint decision, you would have gotten no argument from (probably/hopefully) anyone.

Motch

PS> The reason that some CAL Pilots write about "going it alone" is probably because I have yet to meet one CAL pilot who wanted this merger. As someone has stated ofter, it's a shotgun wedding and it's just getting worse~

 

The PERFECT post as to why the CAL pilots want to go it alone. The L-UAL pilots have this "we are God, we will destroy you, and all you've done is ruin our airline and careers" crap. You badmouth our MEC and do nothing but talk negatively about the CAL pilots and its leadership. How many posts by the CAL pilots do you see calling Heppner out? I dare guess, but it's VERY FEW, yet the L-UAL pilots are like phiranas after Jay. If we support our MEC, then we're "wierdos" or "idiots". Go it alone? Hmmm, seems like that is EXACTLY what Heppner is doing. But I guess that's okay since UAL is doing it.

 

It's YOU'RE, NOT your! This is GRADESCHOOL grammar for crying out loud. Now who's the idiot?


To make it "easier" for you:

What's the difference between your and you're? Your presence on this page means you're about to find out.


Your

Your is the second person possessive adjective, used to describe something as belonging to you. Your is nearly always followed by a noun.


What is your name?

Is this your pen?

Your book is on the table.

This is your chair and this is mine.

What happened to your dog?

Your being here is causing some problems.


You're

You're is the contraction of "you are" and is often followed by the present participle (verb form ending in -ing).


You're going to be late.

Is that what you're wearing?

I think you're lying.

If you're ready, we can go.

I can't believe you're a doctor!

When you're my age, you'll understand.


The Bottom Line

The confusion between your and you're occurs because the two words are pronounced pretty much the same.

The ironclad rule - no exceptions - is that if you're able to replace the word with "you are," you're saying you're. Otherwise, your only choice is your.

 

That just about sums it up.

Forget about JP.....I have spoken with LEC-IAH members who have CONFIRMED that the UA-MEC request, on behalf of Heppner, was COMPLETELY UN-cordinated with ANY facet of the CAL-MEC prior to taking the announcement public. Fine....If UA's MEC wants to make JP and his MEC show their toe's.....have at it!! Doing it in the fashion that they did was completely-counter productive as a JOINT front, and just ANOTHER item of faux paux's to be added to the list from BOTH sides as MGT just laughs at the Circus-Side Show.

I'll be as so bold to say, I'm NOT in the minority when it comes to being disgusted with BOTH MEC's as to their LACK/WILLINGNESS to get on the same page when it comes to making a "line in the sand" stances towards MGT. You want to play games??? DO IT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.....germane to BOTH sides. If this C*R*A*P continues beyond where we presently sit, every single Pilot (within BOTH groups) can count on this being the beginning to the end.

 

I have found that one of the most difficult things with this merger is divorcing myself from the "ownership" of being "Continental" or "CAL ALPA". I owe neither any loyalty, and the "we are bringing this" or "your guys did that" stuff is just distracting, yet painful noise.

I think the simple adage of "Lead, Follow, or Get out of the Way" is quite appropriate now. We ALL have been screaming for some leadership, and now here it is. Some might not like how we arrived here and are clinging to old persecutions and slights to dismiss this new direction, but nature abhors a vacuum and I think we ALL can agree that the past 2 years have been a vacuum when it comes to verifying any measurable progress in making our COLLECTIVE lives better.

Somebody is leading, doesn't really matter at this point who it is. The choice is simple. Follow, or get out of the way. I have spoken to my Reps about this, we'll see which way they go Tmrw.

 

We replaced one MEC Chairman because we didn't think they we doing a very good job after the merger - I'll ask, When are you going to do something about JP? So far he has done nothing but divide the two groups.

 

Thx ewr I feel better now anything else you can help with just jump right in. I always feel better knowing the grammer and spelling police are here. I hope you still understood the message.
I do realize that you have all day to sit and carefully spell out your post, sorry I type fast and do not always check them but will sleep better knowing you are there to not only take my job but to also make any neccessary corrections to my post, thank you once again.

 

Thanks for the vote of support. I feel the same way; we've been working way too long without a contract and management will never come to the table without a concrete deadline. As they said a few weeks ago, "what's the rush?". For those that choose not to fight for a contract, how can you stand to see YOUR (<--- sic, ewr) own reflection. We'll see JP's cards soon. I'm guessing he'll be negotiating a side deal for himself and labor.

 

For the record: Jay Pierce has been doing the will of the body and the will of the pilot group. He has been the CAL pilots only true Master Chairman.

His predecessor sat there at the MEC meetings and listened to the CA rep from Cleveland, who represented no less than 79 pilots and held the pilot group hostage in pursuing his agenda. It could be an 8 to 1 MEC and darn it if the MEC Chairman just did what he wanted to do. That's why he got recalled.

At the Time Jay was on the NC and I am sure Jay paid attention as to what will get a MEC Chair fired. If the EWR and IAH reps wanted Jay gone, he would have been gone a long time ago. Jay had a lot to do with the IAH CA rep getting fired from SPSC Chair, so I know there is no love-loss. But, business is business, and to-date, the Chairman is doing what he is told to do, and he seems to be doing it in an efficient and forthright manner.

The CAL MEC has some interesting people on it, but so far they are working together pretty good and putting aside their petty issues for the good of the pilots. I would give the CAL MEC a solid B as a grade right now in patience, and in deliberate communications.

I would like to see both MEC's on the same page to get the feeling that Jay Happner isn't trying to "lead" us where we can't go right now. If CA. Happner wants to do this, he needs to articulate a plan with documented evidence that the NMB will buy into and that the CAL reps can communicate to the CAL pilots and so that the CAL pilots can also buy into.

Jay Pierce has been telling us contantly in his messages that UAL Management is not meeting our time line and our expectations. I've seen it and I know it to be the truth. But, until the NMB slams UCH management around a little the bully-pulpit is premature.

His communications were not coordinated. If they were, you would have seen a joint Statement from the two respective MEC Chairs, and likely co-signed by CA. Lee Moak, the ALPA National President. That is the sort of cohesive commuications we are looking for.

We aren't looking for "leadership." We are the leaders under the ALPA inverted triangle. The MEC Chairman works for the MEC, and the MEC works for the pilots.