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routemap 11-19-2012 08:26 AM

CAL pilot here. Will be a NO vote.

oldmako 11-19-2012 08:28 AM

Bus FO with walking money saved...NO. :D

80ktsClamp 11-19-2012 10:16 AM

Just an FYI- all NWA pilots were made whole on their longevity while out on furlough in the DL JCBA.

That had zero bearing on the SLI and it won't on yours either.

xjtguy 11-19-2012 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 1294002)
Trip,

You don't work here. Why are you worried about it?


Originally Posted by workingforfree (Post 1294040)
Maybe he knows he may never also ...

If you read his posts on the "other board", for some reason he wants as many 70+ seats jets running around at express for some silly reason.

No idea why. The 50 seaters are an economic drain to the mainline carrier. But MORE important, the 70's are a BIGGER threat to the narrow body.

Trip7 11-19-2012 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by xjtguy:1295764

Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 1294002)
Trip,

You don't work here. Why are you worried about it?


Originally Posted by workingforfree (Post 1294040)
Maybe he knows he may never also ...

If you read his posts on the "other board", for some reason he wants as many 70+ seats jets running around at express for some silly reason.

No idea why. The 50 seaters are an economic drain to the mainline carrier. But MORE important, the 70's are a BIGGER threat to the narrow body.

Not really. Delta has had 70+ seats for years and has hired more than the other legacy carriers combined. Why? International expansion. Pilots need to stop worrying about Duluth and worry about Dubai, Lagos, Auckland etc.

oldmako 11-19-2012 11:40 AM

Wrong. We need to worry about all of it. We're being attacked by both sides and from within if you read our TA. It's like reaching into a bag of poisonous snakes while trying to pluck out twenty dollar bills scattered among them.

IAD-MIA on a CRJ???? Really???? What a POS that thing is. And, what a disservice we are foisting upon the traveling public. No wonder people call SWA and book away from us. If YOU ran a business, would you treat your customers like that?? The product sucks from the time you approach the gate until the airport is in the rear view at your destination.

This career, and much of the travel industry is being ruined by Johnny Come Lately MBA's who care not one whit for you, me, or the industry. Their only concern is how much they can suck out of the company by bludgeoning labor.

Sorry for that. James feels better now.

Sonny Crockett 11-19-2012 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 1295784)
Wrong. We need to worry about all of it. We're being attacked by both sides and from within if you read our TA. It's like reaching into a bag of poisonous snakes while trying to pluck out twenty dollar bills scattered among them.

IAD-MIA on a CRJ???? Really???? What a POS that thing is. And, what a disservice we are foisting upon the traveling public. No wonder people call SWA and book away from us. If YOU ran a business, would you treat your customers like that?? The product sucks from the time you approach the gate until the airport is in the rear view at your destination.

This career, and much of the travel industry is being ruined by Johnny Come Lately MBA's who care not one whit for you, me, or the industry. Their only concern is how much they can suck out of the company by bludgeoning labor.

Sorry for that. James feels better now.


James speaks the truth! Preach on Brother James!

LCAL dude 11-19-2012 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by xjtguy (Post 1295764)
If you read his posts on the "other board", for some reason he wants as many 70+ seats jets running around at express for some silly reason.

I can't decide if it's a VATSIMmer playing wannabe, a new Riddle grad telling us everything he learned in class about airline management, or a management shill trying to spread the kool-aid around.

In a couple other threads he's tried to make $100 Amazon gift card bets with people, which alone tells you it's not a real RJ FO. No RJ FO has that kind of money to waste, they're too busy trying to pay rent, buy food, etc..

I also am certain his Captains consider him an absolute JOY to fly with. :rolleyes:

xjtguy 11-19-2012 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by Sonny Crockett (Post 1295794)
James speaks the truth! Preach on Brother James!

Yes, yes he does. He should change his nickname from the "The Godfather of Soul" to the "The Godfather of FUMP!!!!!!"

But the RJ shouldn't be used AT ALL to connect major cities. Using his example of the MIA-IAD, toss in places like DTW, MSP, ATL, LGA/JFK/EWR as others. Sure, the growth is in the int'l markets, assuming it's not JV'd out. But use the mainline/narrow body aircraft to feed that int'l expansion from major metropolitan areas.


Originally Posted by LCAL dude (Post 1295795)
I can't decide if it's a VATSIMmer playing wannabe, a new Riddle grad telling us everything he learned in class about airline management, or a management shill trying to spread the kool-aid around.

I'd go with the second one.


Originally Posted by LCAL dude (Post 1295795)
In a couple other threads he's tried to make $100 Amazon gift card bets with people, which alone tells you it's not a real RJ FO. No RJ FO has that kind of money to waste, they're too busy trying to pay rent, buy food, etc..

Unless they're using the underpaid pilot income enhancement technique of living in the parent's basement.

Sorry for stepping in/interjecting. Back to the poll.

Trip7 11-19-2012 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by LCAL dude:1295795

Originally Posted by xjtguy (Post 1295764)
If you read his posts on the "other board", for some reason he wants as many 70+ seats jets running around at express for some silly reason.

I can't decide if it's a VATSIMmer playing wannabe, a new Riddle grad telling us everything he learned in class about airline management, or a management shill trying to spread the kool-aid around.

In a couple other threads he's tried to make $100 Amazon gift card bets with people, which alone tells you it's not a real RJ FO. No RJ FO has that kind of money to waste, they're too busy trying to pay rent, buy food, etc..

I make more than the median household income in the US and have a job in a time when many are unemployed and desperate for a job as a Walmart cashier. Don't worry about me, I'm doing just fine.

Anyways, looks like xjtguy and oldmako have the airline industry all figured out. Why don't you two start an airline together and use your vast knowledge of airline economics to run a profitable upstart carrier because clearly you know exactly what the majors are doing wrong.


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