I'm voting yes .. I trust Jay Heppner, and if it wasn't for his bold manuevering, we'd still be hearing Jay Pierce updates about how rosy the the company and the Hours of Service SME were singing Kumbaya. As far as the whole Continental, "let's Easternize this" and "harvest" United's flights, I'm not worried about that. We, the legacy UAL, would rather destroy the airline than allow that scenario to take place. First word of L-UAL furlough and this place will burn to the ground. Summer 2000 will look tame in comparison. I'd rather burn this place down than let some scab mentality pilot profit on my demise.

So, on one hand you trust Hepner and his "bold maneuvering," but on the other hand you aren't worried about the canibalization of ual. Which camp do you think is spreading the fear about cal taking ual flying, ala easternize?

I'd be careful about espousing the "burn the house down" theory. Those who you are hoping to do battle with in that escapade are the sheep buying the fear spread by the Hepner camp.

My decision to vote yes is just pure math. A year's delay in getting the "next" will cost about 35% of a year's salary. For what? 5% better pay rates ? Multiply that by 7 years and you break even. This is a good contract and it will allow us to get on with seniority integration.

A good contract? I can only read it 30 min at a time before I have to walk away and settle my nerves. Enjoy your pennies on the dollar retro, industry lacking pay, a contract riddled with outs in every section for the company, and rjs out of control.

Actually they are scientific, all you have to do is cut the no vote in half and double the yes vote on an APC poll and you get close to a real world poll of the average line pilot.

This is the same thoughtful and reasoned analysis most pilots will undertake when casting their vote. It is the same that your negotiators and MEC undertook when they reached their conclusion. Good luck.

Yes, a years delay is well reasoned. Well reasoned based on fear.

And what is your reasoning based on? Fact or fear? What are your fears? Someone is going to force you to fly? Not going to make more that Delta and hurting your pride? Not enough coin in the Retro meaning the next contract will drag on for10 years? Gonna get furloughed? On and on...I've seen all these fears/facts and more on this forum. I'm going to base my vote/decisions on a risk/reward analysis. Same I do every time I go to work, study the flight papers and fly from A to B. So please spare me the fear card.

My reasoning is based upon what is in front of me. The TA, and it falls way short.

And my reasoning is it doesn't. Happy Turkey day.