UAL Interns, etc
01-14-2013 | 05:42 PM
#33
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Just trying to point out, that most newer RJ upgrades are 35 (and they are younger!), the average are about 40. The last decade has left its mark at the commuters with long upgrades, and limited options to move on.
01-14-2013 | 09:05 PM
#36
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FWIW from a late 90's intern:
I can see the argument from both sides. Some of the other interns I met during my time at United were the most arrogant people I have ever come across. I can see how interns get that stigma. Most interns were in their early 20's, and like any group, the bad ones are remembered more than the good. I hope they have grown up since.
In the exit class, the hiring directors did say they had a problem with the low time interns. They recommended going to Great Lakes and building time as fast as possible. They said you had to be as qualified as all the other applicants, so don't waste your interview slot if you don't have competitive times.
I don't think the internship should trump experience, but successfully completing the process was suppose to guarantee an interview. (And yes, I know what a guarantee is worth in this industry
)
I have only kept in touch with a couple interns, but I am the low time one with over 9000 hours. I would hope there will not be a need for the "unqualified intern" conversation. Even with that time, a clean record, and a couple of recs, I still don't feel like I will be one of the first ones through the process. There are just so many great, connected, qualified pilots out there. Often what airlines think are "qualified" doesn't jive with what pilots think are "qualified". It all comes down to what United wants and that is what stirs the hiring debate.
A couple of questions:
1) Is there even still and internship program at United?
2) Will "silver bullet" resumes trump interns?
United's hiring process will be interesting to watch.
I look forward to attending a job fair in the future and appreciate any info.
I can see the argument from both sides. Some of the other interns I met during my time at United were the most arrogant people I have ever come across. I can see how interns get that stigma. Most interns were in their early 20's, and like any group, the bad ones are remembered more than the good. I hope they have grown up since.
In the exit class, the hiring directors did say they had a problem with the low time interns. They recommended going to Great Lakes and building time as fast as possible. They said you had to be as qualified as all the other applicants, so don't waste your interview slot if you don't have competitive times.
I don't think the internship should trump experience, but successfully completing the process was suppose to guarantee an interview. (And yes, I know what a guarantee is worth in this industry
)I have only kept in touch with a couple interns, but I am the low time one with over 9000 hours. I would hope there will not be a need for the "unqualified intern" conversation. Even with that time, a clean record, and a couple of recs, I still don't feel like I will be one of the first ones through the process. There are just so many great, connected, qualified pilots out there. Often what airlines think are "qualified" doesn't jive with what pilots think are "qualified". It all comes down to what United wants and that is what stirs the hiring debate.
A couple of questions:
1) Is there even still and internship program at United?
2) Will "silver bullet" resumes trump interns?
United's hiring process will be interesting to watch.
I look forward to attending a job fair in the future and appreciate any info.
Arrogance is hardly a trait reserved just for interns. I have also seen this in those who love to tell you how many airlines they have been at prior to getting here. There are also some who suffer from the "Tom Kazansky Syndrome" I have seen weak pilots and arrogant pilots from all backgrounds. Some pilots never get passed the interview because they can't park their ego's at the door regardless of how many carrier landings they have made.
01-15-2013 | 04:57 AM
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I was just gonna say that! Arrogance is abound in this industry. I was a CAL intern and now have 9000 hours and never used my Trump card, but u can bet I'm gonna cash it in now. Guys don't feel the need to make amends to theses tools, you did everything right and now if you want, its your turn to go to the front of the line...as always people hate others that have a one up or just got lucky. Still no guarantee your gonna get the job anyway, just a chance!
F'n unreal...
F'n unreal...
01-16-2013 | 03:42 PM
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From: 737 fo
That is exactly right Xjet. Use whatever you got to get into class as soon as possible. Who cares what the haters think, non of them will have the balls to say anything to your face anyway. Good Luck.
01-16-2013 | 03:59 PM
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01-16-2013 | 07:49 PM
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Actually I liked talking to guys that flew for many airlines. They usually had lots of good stories and were far from arrogant. As a matter of fact I can't think of a single person that fits this profile that was arrogant at all. Almost without exception experience breeds humbleness.
Arrogance usually comes from ignorance.
Hire the experienced pilots first. There are way too many out there to even consider hiring a 300 hour boy wonder.
Arrogance usually comes from ignorance.
Hire the experienced pilots first. There are way too many out there to even consider hiring a 300 hour boy wonder.
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