Remember Scab Bid 85-5?
03-12-2013, 06:07 AM
#21
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So, the company is in violation of the T&PA for flying ratios for the two separate operations and pilot groups? (Allegedly)
But the company is also in violation of the new UPA for filling of vacancies for the two separate operations and pilot groups because of System Bid 14-02? (Allegedly)
Just trying to keep all the violations straight: bidding, long-layover hotels, crew meals, flying ratios, vacancies in L-CAL operations....and on and on. Time for a mental health day so I don't become emotionally impacted.
But the company is also in violation of the new UPA for filling of vacancies for the two separate operations and pilot groups because of System Bid 14-02? (Allegedly)
Just trying to keep all the violations straight: bidding, long-layover hotels, crew meals, flying ratios, vacancies in L-CAL operations....and on and on. Time for a mental health day so I don't become emotionally impacted.
03-12-2013, 07:22 AM
#22
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Funny (not ha ha) to note that CAL ALPA grieved this very provision in the summer of 2011 as the ratios were not compliant then as a result of the parking of the 767-200's. Thought it was a slam dunk, but the arbitrator ruled for the company with a "force majeure" finding because they could not have known of the delay in 787 deliveries.
How many 757's have been parked on the UA side? I've heard the company is not going forward with that planned reduction until after ISL to prevent having to spool up a parallel independent 737 NG program for sUA.
How many 757's have been parked on the UA side? I've heard the company is not going forward with that planned reduction until after ISL to prevent having to spool up a parallel independent 737 NG program for sUA.
03-12-2013, 07:58 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
Yet when I mention that CAL wasn't even on my radar and that there was no way I was interested in applying or working at CAL during that time I am accused of "trashing" CAL.
Strange.
I guess the whipper snappers have a different view of the world than those of us who were there participating in it.
Strange.
I guess the whipper snappers have a different view of the world than those of us who were there participating in it.
You failed to mention that small tidbit in your lambasting of the average CAL Pilot hired during that time period. To branch out and say that the average pilot hired at CAL during that time frame was inferior to the average UAL hire would be a bit of a stretch don't you think?
03-12-2013, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
As a participant I believe the time frame you spoke of was the early 90's. While I was hired 3 years prior to that at miserable ol' CAL, I do recall attempting to get a UAL job several years after being hired. During the process I found out that I didn't have the proper plumbing, (see cooter), and I didn't process a unique ethnicity.
You failed to mention that small tidbit in your lambasting of the average CAL Pilot hired during that time period. To branch out and say that the average pilot hired at CAL during that time frame was inferior to the average UAL hire would be a bit of a stretch don't you think?
You failed to mention that small tidbit in your lambasting of the average CAL Pilot hired during that time period. To branch out and say that the average pilot hired at CAL during that time frame was inferior to the average UAL hire would be a bit of a stretch don't you think?
03-12-2013, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by EWRflyr
So, the company is in violation of the T&PA for flying ratios for the two separate operations and pilot groups? (Allegedly)
But the company is also in violation of the new UPA for filling of vacancies for the two separate operations and pilot groups because of System Bid 14-02? (Allegedly)
Just trying to keep all the violations straight: bidding, long-layover hotels, crew meals, flying ratios, vacancies in L-CAL operations....and on and on. Time for a mental health day so I don't become emotionally impacted.
But the company is also in violation of the new UPA for filling of vacancies for the two separate operations and pilot groups because of System Bid 14-02? (Allegedly)
Just trying to keep all the violations straight: bidding, long-layover hotels, crew meals, flying ratios, vacancies in L-CAL operations....and on and on. Time for a mental health day so I don't become emotionally impacted.
I say, it doesn't matter which side is violated, it needs to be stopped. Enforce your contract.
One of the things still to be definitively decided is if and how much of the TPA is still in force before the SLI is complete. This and the % flying violations will be thoroughly discussed at our next meeting.
03-12-2013, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald
Yes, I am very emotional when it comes to being bent over and scr...ed by the company. Yes, the company took only 2 days to start violating the new contract.
I say, it doesn't matter which side is violated, it needs to be stopped. Enforce your contract.
One of the things still to be definitively decided is if and how much of the TPA is still in force before the SLI is complete. This and the % flying violations will be thoroughly discussed at our next meeting.
I say, it doesn't matter which side is violated, it needs to be stopped. Enforce your contract.
One of the things still to be definitively decided is if and how much of the TPA is still in force before the SLI is complete. This and the % flying violations will be thoroughly discussed at our next meeting.
03-12-2013, 08:41 AM
#28
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Originally Posted by syd111
Wow going to be discussed at the next meeting, go get em.
03-12-2013, 08:49 AM
#29
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald
Sorry if the democratic process offends...have you gone to a recent ALPA meeting and participated in the process? If so, good.
03-12-2013, 09:48 AM
#30
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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking
Do you think it is remotely possible that those not hired by UAL in the late 80's and 90's used the "i'm a white male" crutch?
If you were indeed a white male hired during the previously mentioned period, hats off to you for getting on.
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