Remember Scab Bid 85-5?
03-12-2013, 10:15 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
I'm sure some did but the fact remains, lesser qualified people were hired at your fine establishment during that time frame
If you look at the percentages, especially in the 90's, it was extremely small. Not large enough to say I didn't get hired because I can stand upright to take a wiz.
03-12-2013, 10:38 AM
#32
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I am not an ALPA insider. I heard this information second hand, but it is my understanding that the UAL MEC Chairman believes the TPA is still partially in control, but according to outside council supporting a C11 Grievance against system bid 14-02, Section 25 of the UPA clearly states that all other previous agreements are null and void after the signing of the new contract.
Also, interesting to note that two Grievances related to last years profit sharing appear just about finished. The first having been decided in favor of UAL-ALPA and the second was awaiting the first for clarification meaning it too will go in favor of UAL-ALPA and against the company and Jay Pierce. Both of these outcomes were in spite of ALPA national and the UAL Chairman who did not support either grievance initially. So it will be even more interesting to see what happens with this latest grievance against system bid 14-02, as it appears UAL-ALPA does not support it either.
Oh, the tangled webs we weave . . .
25-A
Amendable Date
This Agreement shall become effective on the date of signing hereof, shall continue in full force and effect through and including January 31, 2017, and shall renew itself without change each succeeding February 1st thereafter unless written notice of intended change is served in accordance with Section 6, Title I, of the Railway Labor Act, as amended, by either party hereto at least thirty (30) days but no more than two hundred seventy (270) days prior to January 31, 2017, or any year thereafter. The parties shall commence direct negotiations with respect to such notice no later than thirty (30) days following the delivery of such notice.
25-B
Incorporation of Other Agreements
This Agreement and any Letters of Agreement and Memoranda of Understanding entered into by the parties after the date hereof constitute the sole and entire agreement between the parties while they remain in effect, and shall cancel all Agreements, Supplemental Agreements, Amendments, Letters of Understanding and similar related documents executed between the Company and the Air Line Pilots Association prior to the signing of this Agreement.
Amendable Date
This Agreement shall become effective on the date of signing hereof, shall continue in full force and effect through and including January 31, 2017, and shall renew itself without change each succeeding February 1st thereafter unless written notice of intended change is served in accordance with Section 6, Title I, of the Railway Labor Act, as amended, by either party hereto at least thirty (30) days but no more than two hundred seventy (270) days prior to January 31, 2017, or any year thereafter. The parties shall commence direct negotiations with respect to such notice no later than thirty (30) days following the delivery of such notice.
25-B
Incorporation of Other Agreements
This Agreement and any Letters of Agreement and Memoranda of Understanding entered into by the parties after the date hereof constitute the sole and entire agreement between the parties while they remain in effect, and shall cancel all Agreements, Supplemental Agreements, Amendments, Letters of Understanding and similar related documents executed between the Company and the Air Line Pilots Association prior to the signing of this Agreement.
Also, interesting to note that two Grievances related to last years profit sharing appear just about finished. The first having been decided in favor of UAL-ALPA and the second was awaiting the first for clarification meaning it too will go in favor of UAL-ALPA and against the company and Jay Pierce. Both of these outcomes were in spite of ALPA national and the UAL Chairman who did not support either grievance initially. So it will be even more interesting to see what happens with this latest grievance against system bid 14-02, as it appears UAL-ALPA does not support it either.
Oh, the tangled webs we weave . . .
03-12-2013, 11:25 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking
We all know the story. No arguments from me. EEOC should have zero say so when it comes to safety.
If you look at the percentages, especially in the 90's, it was extremely small. Not large enough to say I didn't get hired because I can stand upright to take a wiz.
If you look at the percentages, especially in the 90's, it was extremely small. Not large enough to say I didn't get hired because I can stand upright to take a wiz.
Point is people in glass houses, ect, ect.
03-12-2013, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
Walking through the terminals in SFO, ORD & IAD I'd say you were mistaken but what the hell do I know?
Point is people in glass houses, ect, ect.
Point is people in glass houses, ect, ect.
Originally Posted by 757Driver
While I was hired 3 years prior to that at miserable ol' CAL, I do recall attempting to get a UAL job several years after being hired. During the process I found out that I didn't have the proper plumbing, (see cooter), and I didn't process a unique ethnicity.
Originally Posted by SpecialTracking
Do you think it is remotely possible that those not hired by UAL in the late 80's and 90's used the "i'm a white male" crutch?
I will let your first sentence stand on it's own merit. It doesn't require a rebuttal for the narrow-minded value(s) it upholds.
03-12-2013, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking
You responded to Airhoss by stating
To which I responded
You my friend have large rocks to accuse me of throwing stones. I was merely stating the obvious and your post confirms what I said. Your post is even less plausible since there were at least three thousand pilots hired at UAL in the late 80's-90's with fair skin and a set of cods.
I will let your first sentence stand on it's own merit. It doesn't require a rebuttal for the narrow-minded value(s) it upholds.
To which I responded
You my friend have large rocks to accuse me of throwing stones. I was merely stating the obvious and your post confirms what I said. Your post is even less plausible since there were at least three thousand pilots hired at UAL in the late 80's-90's with fair skin and a set of cods.
I will let your first sentence stand on it's own merit. It doesn't require a rebuttal for the narrow-minded value(s) it upholds.
03-12-2013, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
As a participant I believe the time frame you spoke of was the early 90's. While I was hired 3 years prior to that at miserable ol' CAL, I do recall attempting to get a UAL job several years after being hired. During the process I found out that I didn't have the proper plumbing, (see cooter), and I didn't process a unique ethnicity.
You failed to mention that small tidbit in your lambasting of the average CAL Pilot hired during that time period. To branch out and say that the average pilot hired at CAL during that time frame was inferior to the average UAL hire would be a bit of a stretch don't you think?
You failed to mention that small tidbit in your lambasting of the average CAL Pilot hired during that time period. To branch out and say that the average pilot hired at CAL during that time frame was inferior to the average UAL hire would be a bit of a stretch don't you think?
Finally I was not "lambasting" CAL guys. I am simply sick and tired of having some of your pilot children making statements like "you should have chosen better" in regards to initial hiring. Fact, plain and simple and irrefutably that CAL was a nightmare airline from the 80's through most of the 90's. A last choice place to be until it started to turn around under Bethune. Some of these kiddies don't realize how much luck there is in regards to picking the winning the airline career lottery ticket. And I've got news for all of you, it ain't over yet! Your little dream career can go from sunshine and blue skies to swimming in a cesspool faster than you can say "career expectations." Time will tell.
03-12-2013, 06:45 PM
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This whole career is luck and timing. Which airline is better or worse at any given time is a fruitless argument. Airlines change over night. Pilots at UAL and CAL are all the same (except SCABS). People got upset about UAL hiring minorities and those with lessor qualifications because they know someone who got hired like that. Me too. I know lots of people "under" me at jobs that got hired by UAL when I couldn't get an interview. Therefore, we say UAL only and and all underqualified people then. Not true, but partially true. Who cares? Life is not fair. I'm not in control of it either way. I apply. I fly. I go to the airline that hires me. That says nothing about UAL or CAL. It's luck and timing. We need to stand together and stop working against each other. We'll get more accomplished that way. Good luck to us all. 
03-12-2013, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Ottopilot
This whole career is luck and timing. Which airline is better or worse at any given time is a fruitless argument. Airlines change over night. Pilots at UAL and CAL are all the same (except SCABS). People got upset about UAL hiring minorities and those with lessor qualifications because they know someone who got hired like that. Me too. I know lots of people "under" me at jobs that got hired by UAL when I couldn't get an interview. Therefore, we say UAL only and and all underqualified people then. Not true, but partially true. Who cares? Life is not fair. I'm not in control of it either way. I apply. I fly. I go to the airline that hires me. That says nothing about UAL or CAL. It's luck and timing. We need to stand together and stop working against each other. We'll get more accomplished that way. Good luck to us all.
03-12-2013, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking
I'll buy that. Remember, you will only know how your career turned out when you set the brake on your retirement flight.
03-12-2013, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunvox
I am not an ALPA insider. I heard this information second hand, but it is my understanding that the UAL MEC Chairman believes the TPA is still partially in control, but according to outside council supporting a C11 Grievance against system bid 14-02, Section 25 of the UPA clearly states that all other previous agreements are null and void after the signing of the new contract.
Also, interesting to note that two Grievances related to last years profit sharing appear just about finished. The first having been decided in favor of UAL-ALPA and the second was awaiting the first for clarification meaning it too will go in favor of UAL-ALPA and against the company and Jay Pierce. Both of these outcomes were in spite of ALPA national and the UAL Chairman who did not support either grievance initially. So it will be even more interesting to see what happens with this latest grievance against system bid 14-02, as it appears UAL-ALPA does not support it either.
Oh, the tangled webs we weave . . .
Also, interesting to note that two Grievances related to last years profit sharing appear just about finished. The first having been decided in favor of UAL-ALPA and the second was awaiting the first for clarification meaning it too will go in favor of UAL-ALPA and against the company and Jay Pierce. Both of these outcomes were in spite of ALPA national and the UAL Chairman who did not support either grievance initially. So it will be even more interesting to see what happens with this latest grievance against system bid 14-02, as it appears UAL-ALPA does not support it either.
Oh, the tangled webs we weave . . .
So what were they again and just what exactly did they win? I starting to get a little emotional here......
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