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#32
along with career expectations, longevity, and status and category.
"We begin with a high-level view of the pre-merger airlines, their respective business models and the state of the airline industry in 2010. Simply put, United was, as of the merger date, one of a small group of the preeminent U.S. (and, for that matter, international) global carriers, with a highly evolved and extensive domestic route network, with multiple hubs, geographically well-dispersed and well-situated in strong local markets (Chicago-O'Hare, Washington-Dulles, Denver, Los Angeles, and San Francisco), feeding into a comprehensive international route system serving all major continents and geographic areas with a large fleet of widebody aircraft configured to accommodate both leisure, but more importantly, the more valuable premium business traffic.
For at least half a century, United has been one of the “big three” U.S. carriers, along with Delta and American. Post-deregulation, each of these carriers spearheaded a global alliance – Delta was a charter member of SkyTeam, American a founding member of Oneworld, and United a founder of what is the largest and most comprehensive airline alliance – Star Alliance.
Each of these three airlines had an extensive domestic footprint in O&D markets to complement its global reach. Separate and apart from its role in Star Alliance, United's worldwide reach, with its extensive route rights (many of which were limited and not available to others), its substantial portfolio of scarce slot and gate assets, and its highly developed and extensive sales organizations, could not be matched or replicated. Taken together, these assets produced a powerful global brand unequalled by any other U.S. airline.
Prior to the merger, Continental was a smaller network carrier with primarily domestic, narrow-gauge operations, with much smaller and less favorably located hubs (Houston, Newark, Cleveland, and Guam) and a smaller, less nationally-articulated domestic route system. Internationally, Continental had a patchwork of less valuable routes, served to substantial degree with narrowbody aircraft (including regional jets flown by regional partners) more typically found serving domestic markets and a heavy focus on low-yield leisure traffic. Thus, much of Continental's international presence in Latin America was made up of short-haul, narrowbody vacation (low yield leisure) traffic and service to destinations in and around the Caribbean and Mexico.14 In the Pacific, Continental's presence was mostly the remnants of Air Micronesia, which was basically a network of narrowbody commuter runs built around a Guam hub designed more to cater to the very low-yield “honeymoon traffic” from Japan and unconnected to traffic flows involving the mainland United States."
"We begin with a high-level view of the pre-merger airlines, their respective business models and the state of the airline industry in 2010. Simply put, United was, as of the merger date, one of a small group of the preeminent U.S. (and, for that matter, international) global carriers, with a highly evolved and extensive domestic route network, with multiple hubs, geographically well-dispersed and well-situated in strong local markets (Chicago-O'Hare, Washington-Dulles, Denver, Los Angeles, and San Francisco), feeding into a comprehensive international route system serving all major continents and geographic areas with a large fleet of widebody aircraft configured to accommodate both leisure, but more importantly, the more valuable premium business traffic.
For at least half a century, United has been one of the “big three” U.S. carriers, along with Delta and American. Post-deregulation, each of these carriers spearheaded a global alliance – Delta was a charter member of SkyTeam, American a founding member of Oneworld, and United a founder of what is the largest and most comprehensive airline alliance – Star Alliance.
Each of these three airlines had an extensive domestic footprint in O&D markets to complement its global reach. Separate and apart from its role in Star Alliance, United's worldwide reach, with its extensive route rights (many of which were limited and not available to others), its substantial portfolio of scarce slot and gate assets, and its highly developed and extensive sales organizations, could not be matched or replicated. Taken together, these assets produced a powerful global brand unequalled by any other U.S. airline.
Prior to the merger, Continental was a smaller network carrier with primarily domestic, narrow-gauge operations, with much smaller and less favorably located hubs (Houston, Newark, Cleveland, and Guam) and a smaller, less nationally-articulated domestic route system. Internationally, Continental had a patchwork of less valuable routes, served to substantial degree with narrowbody aircraft (including regional jets flown by regional partners) more typically found serving domestic markets and a heavy focus on low-yield leisure traffic. Thus, much of Continental's international presence in Latin America was made up of short-haul, narrowbody vacation (low yield leisure) traffic and service to destinations in and around the Caribbean and Mexico.14 In the Pacific, Continental's presence was mostly the remnants of Air Micronesia, which was basically a network of narrowbody commuter runs built around a Guam hub designed more to cater to the very low-yield “honeymoon traffic” from Japan and unconnected to traffic flows involving the mainland United States."
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#33
along with career expectations, longevity, and status and category.
"As one might expect, an analysis of each carrier on a standalone basis shows that junior CAL pilots simply never would have had the opportunity to enjoy meaningful widebody, international flying. Absent the merger, most CAL pilots' careers would have peaked at narrowbody captain."
"As one might expect, an analysis of each carrier on a standalone basis shows that junior CAL pilots simply never would have had the opportunity to enjoy meaningful widebody, international flying. Absent the merger, most CAL pilots' careers would have peaked at narrowbody captain."
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"As one might expect, an analysis of each carrier on a standalone basis shows that junior CAL pilots simply never would have had the opportunity to enjoy meaningful widebody, international flying. Absent the merger, most CAL pilots' careers would have peaked at narrowbody captain."
enjoying that meaningful flying how???
according to who...
The United pilots have confirmed their dismal career expectations. In April 2008, then-United MEC Chairman Steve Wallach complained:
United has its own problems and issues—mostly created by management’s single-minded focus since bankruptcy exit on consolidation as opposed to the basic “blocking and tackling” required to run a successful airline. . . . United should take a page from Continental, and turn its attention inward. United is the only carrier in the industry with no aircraft on order or optioned. That is not a long-term plan for survival.
United has its own problems and issues—mostly created by management’s single-minded focus since bankruptcy exit on consolidation as opposed to the basic “blocking and tackling” required to run a successful airline. . . . United should take a page from Continental, and turn its attention inward. United is the only carrier in the industry with no aircraft on order or optioned. That is not a long-term plan for survival.
#35
along with career expectations, longevity, and status and category. But at least they're using CAL's own argument--from 1991.
"The second key issue implicating the career expectations equity is the dramatic imbalance between United's jumbo and widebody-focused pre-merger fleet and Continental's fleet, which contained only a small number of widebody craft. As of the snapshot date, United had a total of 111 widebody aircraft, 76 of which were the largest, “jumbo” aircraft – Boeing 747-400s or Boeing 777s – which are the largest aircraft in either carrier's fleets and command the highest rates and best routes. Continental had only 46 widebody aircraft, of which only 20 were jumbos. Continental had no 747-400s, uniformly acknowledged to be the most desirable aircraft, see Continental-People Express at 120 (Ross 1991) (noting the “mystique factor in B-747 flying”), in its fleet.“
"The second key issue implicating the career expectations equity is the dramatic imbalance between United's jumbo and widebody-focused pre-merger fleet and Continental's fleet, which contained only a small number of widebody craft. As of the snapshot date, United had a total of 111 widebody aircraft, 76 of which were the largest, “jumbo” aircraft – Boeing 747-400s or Boeing 777s – which are the largest aircraft in either carrier's fleets and command the highest rates and best routes. Continental had only 46 widebody aircraft, of which only 20 were jumbos. Continental had no 747-400s, uniformly acknowledged to be the most desirable aircraft, see Continental-People Express at 120 (Ross 1991) (noting the “mystique factor in B-747 flying”), in its fleet.“
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The MEC Chairmen’s complaints matched the views of industry analysts. On March 19, 2008, noted airline analyst Bob Reed of Bloomberg BusinessWeek wrote that Mr. Tilton was “squeezing every possible dime out of existing operations by postponing orders for new aircraft or refusing labor an extra nickel. There’s no need to invest for the future, he seems to be thinking, if you’re going to be gone anyway.”
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along with career expectations, longevity, and status and category.
"The second key issue implicating the career expectations equity is the dramatic imbalance between United's jumbo and widebody-focused pre-merger fleet and Continental's fleet, which contained only a small number of widebody craft. As of the snapshot date, United had a total of 111 widebody aircraft, 76 of which were the largest, “jumbo” aircraft – Boeing 747-400s or Boeing 777s – which are the largest aircraft in either carrier's fleets and command the highest rates and best routes. Continental had only 46 widebody aircraft, of which only 20 were jumbos. Continental had no 747-400s, uniformly acknowledged to be the most desirable aircraft, see Continental-People Express at 120 (Ross 1991) (noting the “mystique factor in B-747 flying”), in its fleet.“
"The second key issue implicating the career expectations equity is the dramatic imbalance between United's jumbo and widebody-focused pre-merger fleet and Continental's fleet, which contained only a small number of widebody craft. As of the snapshot date, United had a total of 111 widebody aircraft, 76 of which were the largest, “jumbo” aircraft – Boeing 747-400s or Boeing 777s – which are the largest aircraft in either carrier's fleets and command the highest rates and best routes. Continental had only 46 widebody aircraft, of which only 20 were jumbos. Continental had no 747-400s, uniformly acknowledged to be the most desirable aircraft, see Continental-People Express at 120 (Ross 1991) (noting the “mystique factor in B-747 flying”), in its fleet.“
#39
Just read through both...
uals -
Argumentative, outdated falsities and preachy...even calling out an arbitrator as opining...nice..the whole thing reaks of a seniority grab and tries to establish furlough credit based on equity that would be eventually achieved as pilots retire allowing the furloughs to move up (not an increase in capacity, growth or business model / performance of the company) - great expectation...well one day our guys will graduate from furlough and move up as the elder lists retire...the fact that so many were on furlough for 10+ years gives credit to ual being the weaker business model bringing less equity to the table, regardless of how many 'whales' they had...the facts remain the international block hours were higher at CAL than ual. It even goes so far as to try an rewrite the CAL seniority list pre-sli to suit their own argument better - good luck with that!
CALs-
Clear, direct stated fact with a clear goal based on fair and equitable reasoning and charted performance, whereas the ual side contradicted itself saying it would not get into specific derivations but the sinks to a level of argumentative by assuming CAL positions and arguing them out in the opening statement.
uals -
Argumentative, outdated falsities and preachy...even calling out an arbitrator as opining...nice..the whole thing reaks of a seniority grab and tries to establish furlough credit based on equity that would be eventually achieved as pilots retire allowing the furloughs to move up (not an increase in capacity, growth or business model / performance of the company) - great expectation...well one day our guys will graduate from furlough and move up as the elder lists retire...the fact that so many were on furlough for 10+ years gives credit to ual being the weaker business model bringing less equity to the table, regardless of how many 'whales' they had...the facts remain the international block hours were higher at CAL than ual. It even goes so far as to try an rewrite the CAL seniority list pre-sli to suit their own argument better - good luck with that!
CALs-
Clear, direct stated fact with a clear goal based on fair and equitable reasoning and charted performance, whereas the ual side contradicted itself saying it would not get into specific derivations but the sinks to a level of argumentative by assuming CAL positions and arguing them out in the opening statement.
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ual is trying to redefine terms of longevity and equity while at the same time telling the board it is neither their place nor the boards place to do so - very jumbled methodology
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