LCAL openers are posted, 41 pages worth.

 

And a pie chart.

 

Nice pic of the Whale in LUAL's opening statement.

 

"1. United's Furloughed Pilots Should be Integrated Fully Into the ISL. The equities compel the integration of United's approximately 1200 involuntary furloughees into the merged seniority list alongside Continental pilots who were working as of May 3, 2010, and the UAL Committee's proposed list will accomplish that result. Critically, the United furloughees bring substantial longevity to the merger. Of the 1200 United furloughees, the senior furloughed United pilot had longevity of approximately 7 and a half years, even mcounting his furlough time, which was more than approximately the most junior 1500 working CAL pilots; indeed over 950 United furloughees had more longevity than the junior working CAL pilot, who had only about 2 and a half years of longevity. Given the fact that longevity is again elevated to a central equitable consideration under merger policy, this longevity cannot be disregarded and must drive the placement of these furloughees on the ISL."

 

"2. The ISL Must Credit the Longevity and Career Expectations of United's First Officers United's First Officers, who make up a large portion of the middle of the United seniority list, likewise have a substantial longevity advantage over their CAL counterparts at a comparable part of their list. On a stovepipe basis, UAL first officers had, on average, between 14 and 15 years of longevity and their average age was approximately 48. By contrast, their CAL counterparts had approximately 50 percent of UAL pilots' longevity, averaging 7 to 8 years of service. These pilots also were, on average, about five and a half years younger. We expect that the CAL Committee's proposal will downplay or ignore entirely the longevity component of Merger Policy and propose an ISL that would lead to United pilots facing a glass ceiling – i.e., being perpetually behind younger Continental pilots whose presence will block the UAL pilots' ability to upgrade to their pre-merger potential before they retire and the Continental pilots inherit the merged list. This impact would be especially pernicious if it kept United pilots on the bottom half of the list from benefitting to an appropriate degree from the widebody captaincies that their pilot group brings to the merger in a disproportionate amount – a fact we discuss in the following section. In addition to these pilots' substantial longevity advantage, the career expectations equity also supports an integration that protects the interests of United's First Officers. These pilots had an expectation, absent the merger, that they would have the opportunity to fly widebody, international routes for a significant portion of their career. As the evidence will establish, and as discussed infra, had United not merged and had its fleet remained static at the May 2010 level, retirements and other attrition alone would have given these pilots the opportunity to progress through the narrowbody captain and, ultimately, widebody captain jobs and to spend substantial time in the left seats of widebodies, which are the most highly desirable and highly lucrative positions in either fleet. The United Committee's proposal honors their longevity and their career expectations. We expect that the CAL proposal will not.

 

After reading both pre-hearing statements, I will sleep well in the fog of my vision.

 

CAL actually admits their date-based seniority list from various mergers is so screwed up it is unusable? ROTFLMAO!

At least it makes the single malt slide a wee bit smoother.

 

Darren Cockell, your bar tab has just been paid...for the rest of your career. Enjoy!

 

along with career expectations, longevity, and status and category.

"the UAL Committee will create two separate lists – one ordering pilots based on status and category and one ordering them based on longevity. We will then combine the two to create a hybrid output. That approach will correct for the longevity-based inequities that would follow from relying strictly on status and category, including the potential placement of United furloughees with significant longevity (large numbers of whom will have been recalled by the time the list is effective or who are already working) and the potential “glass ceiling” blocking of UAL first officers' with substantial longevity (and the career expectation of holding widebody captain positions) by younger CAL pilots with less longevity.

Second, the UAL Committee's proposal will include reasonable, limited conditions and restrictions. In recognition of the premium flying that each pilot group enjoyed prior to the merger, the UAL Committee will propose protection for both groups' pilots to perform such flying in proportion to their pre-merger expectations, and flying on any replacement aircraft, for a limited time. Similarly, in recognition of the desirability of United's domiciles and the fact that CAL pilots have already obtained numerous positions and upgrades at UAL domiciles as a result of the over three year delay between the MAD and the date an ISL can be placed into effect, the United Committee will propose limited protections for UAL pilots in these domiciles.

Finally, to address any concerns arising from the fact that the UAL Committee's proposal will integrate UAL pilots who were furloughed at the time of the merger announcement with CAL pilots who were not, the UAL Committee proposal will include limited protection for junior CAL pilots who might otherwise be exposed to furlough as a result of this proposed integration."

 

Just read through both...

uals -

Argumentative, outdated falsities and preachy...even calling out an arbitrator as opining...nice..the whole thing reaks of a seniority grab and tries to establish furlough credit based on equity that would be eventually achieved as pilots retire allowing the furloughs to move up (not an increase in capacity, growth or business model / performance of the company) - great expectation...well one day our guys will graduate from furlough and move up as the elder lists retire...the fact that so many were on furlough for 10+ years gives credit to ual being the weaker business model bringing less equity to the table, regardless of how many 'whales' they had...the facts remain the international block hours were higher at CAL than ual. It even goes so far as to try an rewrite the CAL seniority list pre-sli to suit their own argument better - good luck with that!

CALs-

Clear, direct stated fact with a clear goal based on fair and equitable reasoning and charted performance, whereas the ual side contradicted itself saying it would not get into specific derivations but the sinks to a level of argumentative by assuming CAL positions and arguing them out in the opening statement.