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Old 06-02-2013 | 06:43 AM
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I much prefer Boeing to Airbus, except the guppy. All that being said, an 800 is a decent compromise, and probably the penultimate guppy. The 900 and ER is too limited. It is very good if you have 13K foot sea level airports, and less than 6 hours to fly. Shorten the runway, or raise the runway above SL, and the superguppy is a catastrophe.

A new 320 or 21 is a vastly less compromised airplane, and after 8 years, my back isn't killing me.

2 months back in a guppy and I am googling massage shops.

I will take a 57 any day over anything without twin tails and wingtip 'winders'.
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Old 06-02-2013 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by LeeMat
IF stalling once per month in your fleet is true, then I agree there is a big pilot problem. So a few idiots are responsible for this alarming rate of of occurrence, it should be easy to identify the idiots and fired them before we top Air France performance. I say fire them, because you can not retrain an idiot!
Lee,

What was your source for this? We had 3 stalls in 2012. One a month seems like a bad rumor. All crew had to be "retrained" and shown the proper way to employ the 737.
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Old 06-02-2013 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by LeeMat
IF... So a few idiots are responsible for this alarming rate of of occurrence, it should be easy to identify the idiots and fired them before we top Air France performance. I say fire them, because you can not retrain an idiot!
The better solution is to not hire them in the first place. However, all that changed 35 years ago with the advent of deregulation...the "race to the bottom" also includes brain power and qualifications.
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Old 06-02-2013 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by flybynuts
Lee,

What was your source for this? We had 3 stalls in 2012. One a month seems like a bad rumor. All crew had to be "retrained" and shown the proper way to employ the 737.
I was simply quoting the poster's reply to a previous post. Just go back up a few post and read from there. Hence my disclaimer "IF"
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Old 06-02-2013 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA
The better solution is to not hire them in the first place. However, all that changed 35 years ago with the advent of deregulation...the "race to the bottom" also includes brain power and qualifications.
Now that deserves a +1!
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Old 06-02-2013 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Probe
I much prefer Boeing to Airbus, except the guppy. All that being said, an 800 is a decent compromise, and probably the penultimate guppy. The 900 and ER is too limited. It is very good if you have 13K foot sea level airports, and less than 6 hours to fly. Shorten the runway, or raise the runway above SL, and the superguppy is a catastrophe.

A new 320 or 21 is a vastly less compromised airplane, and after 8 years, my back isn't killing me.

2 months back in a guppy and I am googling massage shops.

I will take a 57 any day over anything without twin tails and wingtip 'winders'.
The Guppy is an improvement of the RJ's but doesn't compare to the Airbus 320/321 on the longer range flights from a pax standpoint. For the guy that said we should get use to being a Guppy airline better hope that United doesn't become just a Guppy or a Guppy/787 airline. SW will kick-a$$ on the Guppy end and everybody else will kick it in the 787 end. Turning United into a big regional will eventually put a lot of guys on the street. We better hope Jeff and his little airplane/Regional mentality gets replaced with somebody that knows how to run a global airline.
The Guppy is a good airplane for short-haul and a very good replacement for the RJ's covering those markets. United was a Guppy airline before we got cal -
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Old 06-02-2013 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by LeeMat
I was simply quoting the poster's reply to a previous post. Just go back up a few post and read from there. Hence my disclaimer "IF"
You caught me. I just scan some of this stuff since it gets out of control and just try and insert facts or statements that help explain something. Stalling a plane a month would have any POI standing on the table screaming at the company. The safety dept and flight ops would be addressing this ASAP too. Thanks for the IF and sorry for putting you as a negative poster.
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Old 06-02-2013 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA
The better solution is to not hire them in the first place. However, all that changed 35 years ago with the advent of deregulation...the "race to the bottom" also includes brain power and qualifications.
On this we will agree -
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Old 06-02-2013 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by flybynuts
Lee,

What was your source for this? We had 3 stalls in 2012. One a month seems like a bad rumor. All crew had to be "retrained" and shown the proper way to employ the 737.
3 stalls in 2012 - Fred and the heads of the training department along with the pilots should have been fired - You can't fix stupid just hide it. That appears to be what happened if TRUE.
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Old 06-02-2013 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by LeeMat
IF stalling once per month in your fleet is true, then I agree there is a big pilot problem. So a few idiots are responsible for this alarming rate of of occurrence, it should be easy to identify the idiots and fired them before we top Air France performance. I say fire them, because you can not retrain an idiot!
When you buy a Guppy, stall margin/flight envelope settings are an option set by the operator. I'd guess that beancounters and mx (without consulting pilots) set the lower margins. That setting will influence optimum/max altitude displayed on the VNAV cruise page.

It may be a pilot problem - or it may be an education problem.

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