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Old 06-03-2013 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
Sounds like the 900 is a very nostalgic airplane. It performs like and has about the same flight envelope as an old straight pipe 707or the short wing DC-8-61. Boeing should be proud of themselves for putting a microwave in the cave and reintroducing the performance joys of jet flying crica 1962. As a good friend of mine who is now back in the left seat of the 747-400 after three fun filled years sitting in the right seat of the 737 over at L-CAL describes the 900. The things has no go, and it's got no stop and has ref and V-speeds that are made artificially WAY fast because you need the extra smash to avoid a tail strike on take off and landing.

With well over 3,000 hours of737-200,300 and 500 time I can promise you that those versions of the 737 didn't have these issues. Even the small engine 200, it was a dog on a hot day but it had a pretty good wing.

I realize the 900 is our ride now. But that doesn't mean it's not an over stretched over done little POS. The Bus has it's issues but it doesn't have near the performance issues that the 900 has. Plain and simple the 900 is NOT a 757-200 replacement and it never will be. The 757-200 is one of the nicest flying, best performing airplanes ever built.
Things on here are getting blown out of proportion a little!! I've been on the 7/8/9 since we've flown them. Also the 200/300 when we had them. A plane is a plane some are just more challangening than others in certain situations!! The 8/9 is one of those planes!! I've NEVER been weight restricted except SNA and I think that has more to do with airport than airplane! Last time load planning wanted to wt restrict me was in Den w/snowstorm. They put me on 34r with a r/w restriction. Said it was contaminated (it wasn't even close) I asked load planner (in ord) to run #'s on 34L (much longer) no contam. had no idea what I was talking about. I asked for supervisor and came up w/20000lbs more. I think our BIG problem is we have many in load planning that are NEW since the experienced ones didn't want to make move from IAH to ORD. Also, many new pilots that were never FE's running #'s thinking about ways to make weights work. (I was in Den once on the 727 running #'s as engineer and we switched r/w 3 times do to heat/wind/alt!) I think it's a skill that's lost with advent of computer! Also, with the stalls, if your at the top of your limits in wave or storm topping there are other issues and it's not with the plane!! Go lower or go around, not that hard!!!
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Old 06-03-2013 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
You mean Jeffy doesn't have you on speed dial? I'm shocked that he doesn't get your input on these decisions.

Does the 900 really cost less to operate when you are leaving 30 to 40 pax on the dock on temperature and distance challenged days? Like I said it is what it is, but that doesn't make the 900 a good airplane, it just makes it the under performing little POS that we're stuck with. It seems that all things in the post modern world we live in are getting worse not better.
Yes the 900 (especially non ER) can be a pig at times but I have never left behind 30 or 40 peeps. Worst case was 25 going to DEN for ice penalty, which was the only weight restriction I can remember in the past year. To construe it as hundreds of flights every day leaving with 40 open seats is flat wrong.

On a whole the airplane makes money, and yes it burns a lot less gas than the 757. The 757 has a lot more capability than the 900, but that capability is not needed on 95% of the missions the 900 flies.
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Old 06-03-2013 | 12:13 PM
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To construe it as hundreds of flights every day leaving with 40 open seats is flat wrong.
Didn't mean to construe that. Only that it gets weight limited a heck of a lot more than 757 ever would. How does the 900 do on say, DEN to HNL?
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Old 06-03-2013 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
Didn't mean to construe that. Only that it gets weight limited a heck of a lot more than 757 ever would. How does the 900 do on say, DEN to HNL?
Does it do that leg? Does it do Newark to Hong Kong? Who cares what it doesn't do?
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Old 06-03-2013 | 01:10 PM
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Things on here are getting blown out of proportion a little!! I've been on the 7/8/9 since we've flown them. Also the 200/300 when we had them. A plane is a plane some are just more challangening than others in certain situations!! The 8/9 is one of those planes!! I've NEVER been weight restricted except SNA and I think that has more to do with airport than airplane! Last time load planning wanted to wt restrict me was in Den w/snowstorm. They put me on 34r with a r/w restriction. Said it was contaminated (it wasn't even close) I asked load planner (in ord) to run #'s on 34L (much longer) no contam. had no idea what I was talking about. I asked for supervisor and came up w/20000lbs more. I think our BIG problem is we have many in load planning that are NEW since the experienced ones didn't want to make move from IAH to ORD. Also, many new pilots that were never FE's running #'s thinking about ways to make weights work. (I was in Den once on the 727 running #'s as engineer and we switched r/w 3 times do to heat/wind/alt!) I think it's a skill that's lost with advent of computer! Also, with the stalls, if your at the top of your limits in wave or storm topping there are other issues and it's not with the plane!! Go lower or go around, not that hard!!!
You think you know more than a pilot who hates "super-guppies" and has never flown it?
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Old 06-03-2013 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Ottopilot
Does it do that leg? Does it do Newark to Hong Kong? Who cares what it doesn't do?

Thanks for answering my question.

What airplane is going to do those stage lengths after the 757-200 is gone? How about Jackson Hole? How about DEN LGA on a hot summer day? I've never flown a 900 so I am just asking what the thing is capable of.

Nothing personal against your handicapable baby airplane there otto. Just thinking out loud. Thinking and coming up with a good solution is something our bean counters don't seem to be very capable of.
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Old 06-03-2013 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
Thanks for answering my question.

What airplane is going to do those stage lengths after the 757-200 is gone? How about Jackson Hole? How about DEN LGA on a hot summer day? I've never flown a 900 so I am just asking what the thing is capable of.

Nothing personal against your handicapable baby airplane there otto. Just thinking out loud. Thinking and coming up with a good solution is something our bean counters don't seem to be very capable of.
Airbus is putting a new wing and engines on the 321 with sharklets. On paper it can do PHX to HNL.
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Old 06-03-2013 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by CanoePilot
Airbus is putting a new wing and engines on the 321 with sharklets. On paper it can do PHX to HNL.
FWIW, isn't Boeing essentially trying to do the same thing with the 737 MAX, an aircraft that UAL has ordered?
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Old 06-03-2013 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Horhay
CAL is experiencing 1 stall/approach to stall/month...not making that up. Heard directly from manager in flight standards. Remember the "high altitude/engine spool up" exercise during your PC? That exercise in concert with the memos re "use of VNAV to the max extent possible" are directly attributable to this recurring issue.

Aircraft trying to top build-ups going to Florida end of last summer lost ~5k feet regaining energy...

Just sayin

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it a crash of CAL 757 that lead to the change in 75 trim positions? What kind of a culture allows this type of mistake to be repeated over and over????????? If this is true somebody needs to call the NYTimes or WSJ or CNN or somebody. We need to bring this to an end as quickly as possible. It's bad for everyone.
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Old 06-03-2013 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunvox
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it a crash of CAL 757 that lead to the change in 75 trim positions? What kind of a culture allows this type of mistake to be repeated over and over????????? If this is true somebody needs to call the NYTimes or WSJ or CNN or somebody. We need to bring this to an end as quickly as possible. It's bad for everyone.
You are taking an untrue statement (1 stall per month) and reinforcing it with a fictitious accident. Please stop painting YOUR airline in such a negative light on a public board.
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