Why would anyone be reluctant to do so?

Your own merger committee bragged that they only have 13 grievances on file compared to 636 for L-UAL in March 2013 against the same management. I think that says it all about the cultural differences between the two pilot groups.

 

I just stated there is a group that has seen both sides and there were obvious differences. Personally have had numerous constructive conversations with CAL pilots on our cultural differences and didn't need to get all tough guy.

 

The problem with those grievances is that they have no way to get resolved. All the pre merger CBA's, as well as the new UPA have defined number of days per year available for System Boards. Somewhere around 2 days/month with at most 2 cases per day. So the company knows it can just deny grievances at the local level's 1 and 2, then force ALPA to pick and choose AT BEST 24 or so high profile Grievances to have heard at the Board level. There is no other way out of the process for a Grievance that reaches this level; it withers and collects dust if/until it gets heard and resolved at the Board.

It was a huge mistake to allow this type of minimal System Board availability to continue in the UPA. ALPA has to continue to be the arbiter of prioritizing and assigning denied level 1 and 2 Grievances to the ridiculously small amount of Board dates throughout the year.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again...
AIRLINE PILOTS ARE THE BIGGEST BUNCH OF WUSSES ON PLANET EARTH
No one, NO ONE, will say anything to anyone face to face. You know what I hear in the crew rooms when CAL and UAL pilots are in there together?

Nothing.

Only time I hear anything is...well...here.

 

However, this comment does not apply to MEC Chairmen???

 

Well said...and that's my point also..

 

You must not stay in a Crashpad with UAL/CAL crews or fly with UAL FOs. Inciting argument and fights in a crew room is JV but professional calling out someone whose *****ing about items such as no open time available right after they were bragging about their (and management's) 150hr month via there Senior Manning victory is not. Many of us have had zero difficulty and zero test of courage in speaking to Captains and FOs about our observations in a normal unemotional fashion.
Since I need schooling in toughness, can I come watch you chat with a Old Teamster in Newark about how scabs should be allowed to run your show? Please.

 

Hmmm,

I'm not sure "toughness" has anything to do with it. Is it really a good idea to bring up a firebrand issue like this that YOU KNOW is going to end up in a ****ing match in uniform at work while on camera? Really?

You guys do know that you are always being filmed just about ANYWHERE on company property right? That right there is a handy little piece of information to keep in mind BTW.

When I'm at work the last friggin thing in the world I want to do is have a ****ing match that may or may not include the intervention of a flight manager, making everybody around you uncomfortable, way to get your name out there genius. What the frick, over?

If you guys want to duke it out. I've got the place, I've got the release of liability forms. You just need to bring a mouth guard, cup, gloves and your big tough butt on over. I'll let you pound each other into submission under professional supervision. Or more likely, sneer, make pithy remarks and have a little slap fest before someone cries mommy and tries to sue.

Here is a film of two bad ashed pilot settling the score mano Y mano!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ursyuzUwP8

 

Geez

Forget it...was simply trying to say we should be able to discuss our differences in a professional manner without schoolyard bravado. Didn't think it would erupt in you setting up the next Geraldo boxing match.

 

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