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Old 05-13-2013, 12:34 AM
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I assume you are referring to the CAL scabs. While I am not going to defend them ever, you UAL guys complain about our scabs as if you don't have your own baggage. Guess what, you do!!!! We have our scabs, you have your.....well whatever you want to call it. I get it, I'm not sticking up for them, but please don't stand on your high horse as if you are holier than thou.
Yes, United has its own scab baggage, but they are not members in good standing, cannot wear the ALPA pin, and cannot hold positions in the union. Scabs at United are not coddled, nor are they considered just "one of the guys". There is a vastly different culture between the two pilot groups when it comes to the treatment of scabs.
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Old 05-13-2013, 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive View Post
Katz and Campbell were thoroughly Mo'd over. Freund and Pollack were quiet on redirect because the Katz cross was completely ineffective. I especially liked when Mo schooled Katz on amortized vs. unamortized valuation of the LHR slots. I guess Katz is still learning never to ask a questions when he doesn't know what the answer will be.
Funny we read that in two different points of view, didn't you read where your expert doubled the value of the slots? Caught your guy in a lie, shut him up for a bit....Schooled oh yea. in your point of view?....Ineffective don't think so....Whats the matter? Cross ineffective did you say, I think mr Matlock needs his time to think.... Funny you guys are quieter when it's your turn for criticism....
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Old 05-13-2013, 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by bearcat View Post
I assume you are referring to the CAL scabs. While I am not going to defend them ever, you UAL guys complain about our scabs as if you don't have your own baggage. Guess what, you do!!!! We have our scabs, you have your.....well whatever you want to call it. I get it, I'm not sticking up for them, but please don't stand on your high horse as if you are holier than thou.
No I am not standing on my high horse and I was not complaining about just some of you.
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Old 05-13-2013, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 72944 View Post
Yes, United has its own scab baggage, but they are not members in good standing, cannot wear the ALPA pin, and cannot hold positions in the union. Scabs at United are not coddled, nor are they considered just "one of the guys". There is a vastly different culture between the two pilot groups when it comes to the treatment of scabs.
That pretty much sums it up .. CAL is an airline mentored by their senior member scabs .. a pernicious cancer that pervades their mien.
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Old 05-13-2013, 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Maxepr1 View Post
Funny we read that in two different points of view, didn't you read where your expert doubled the value of the slots? Caught your guy in a lie, shut him up for a bit....Schooled oh yea. in your point of view?....Ineffective don't think so....Whats the matter? Cross ineffective did you say, I think mr Matlock needs his time to think.... Funny you guys are quieter when it's your turn for criticism....
The whole point of yesterday was to refute the whole, UAL was on their way out argument that CAL posed, and they did, quite effectively. Thus goes down the main argument of the CAL MEC. Now, back to ALPA merger policy in arguments today I'm guessing.
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Old 05-13-2013, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Maxepr1 View Post
... didn't you read where your expert doubled the value of the slots? Caught your guy in a lie, shut him up for a bit....Schooled oh yea. in your point of view?....Ineffective don't think so....Whats the matter? Cross ineffective did you say, I think mr Matlock needs his time to think.... Funny you guys are quieter when it's your turn for criticism....
Sorry, it was a simple and meaningless miscalculation that Mo readily admitted to.

Poor Katz was reduced to trying to undermine the witness on minutiae since Mo's credibility was infinitely greater than Campbell's regarding this merger and the airline industry. Its funny how folks trying to claim express longevity = mainline longevity are anxious to accuse people of lying. Your misinterpretation of relative silence is also telling with regards to the arbitration and other forums. Don't worry, you'll figure it out soon enough.

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Old 05-13-2013, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Maxepr1 View Post
Funny we read that in two different points of view, didn't you read where your expert doubled the value of the slots? Caught your guy in a lie, shut him up for a bit....Schooled oh yea. in your point of view?....Ineffective don't think so....Whats the matter? Cross ineffective did you say, I think mr Matlock needs his time to think.... Funny you guys are quieter when it's your turn for criticism....
Completely agree!

We sure do see things differently here.
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Old 05-13-2013, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Pilotbiffster View Post
That pretty much sums it up .. CAL is an airline mentored by their senior member scabs .. a pernicious cancer that pervades their mien.
You ever worked a day at CAL? Next time, you are around some L-CAL guys or at a L-CAL domicile, tell them face-to-face what you think, get their feedback then report back to us. Stick to what you know, and that's L-UAL.
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Old 05-13-2013, 07:39 AM
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You ever worked a day at CAL? Next time, you are around some L-CAL guys or at a L-CAL domicile, tell them face-to-face what you think, get their feedback then report back to us. Stick to what you know, and that's L-UAL.
FYI, there are a few hundred sUAL pilots at sCAL and are probably pretty qualified to comment on the matter having actual knowledge of both operations.
I think it's fine to note the blatantly obvious culture differences that management has quite successfully profited from w/o getting too personal or getting nasty.
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Old 05-13-2013, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisJT6 View Post
FYI, there are a few hundred sUAL pilots at sCAL and are probably pretty qualified to comment on the matter having actual knowledge of both operations.
I think it's fine to note the blatantly obvious culture differences that management has quite successfully profited from w/o getting too personal or getting nasty.
Not getting nasty, just man up and discuss it openly in the crew rooms, if you feel so strongly about your perception of the the CAL culture.
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