DAL has stated that we will retire the 744s around 2017 and the planned replacement is the 777-300 (which actually carries more cargo than the -400 pax configured).

 

First ones off the line... 89-early 90s deliveries. There are 2 that were delivered in the early 2000's. 16 total. They were upgraded to lie flat first class and avod in every seat in the last couple years.

 

OK how long will UAL keep the 747-400?

Right now the official tentative fleet plan is to begin -400 retirements in 2018. That's less than five years.

And the latest rumor is a -400 pilot base east of the Mississippi river sometime in the fall or early 2014, possibly EWR. Got to love rumors.

 

Ironically, I'm hearing ORD.

 

I dare you to do a line by line factual analysis of the 2 CBAs vs. the JCBA and publish the results. On the surface you have numerous basic issues that show the trend:

1) duty rigs
2) 9 hrs behind the door
3) reserve rules
4) DH seating at work and to training
5) rest seats on international flights
6) international crew augmentation
7) contractual language that stands up in court

and, I'd be willing to bet that this list is just the beginning, but again I'd love to see a line by line analysis as I have not yet done this analysis myself. I will say that I have 3 friends on furlough and they have said they would not go work for CAL because of the work rules. I don't know if that is true or accurate, but that is what I have heard.

I like to think I have a very open mind and if you would like to start a new thread dedicated to proving that this JCBA is no improvement in QOL for CAL I will try very hard to listen with an open mind. Perhaps we could even invite outside moderators to determine who is correct.

So, what do you say? Want to debate this issue on a fair and collegiate level without name calling or mud slinging?

 

Joe, have your 3 furloughed friends do it. They obviously have all three contracts and will be unbiased.

They should be able to give you all the information you need to make a biased opinion on your boring concern.

 

I. Think it's as simple as retirements, FAR 117 and the full provisions of the UPA.
The LCAL side has been running way understaffed for years...

 

I don't know what to believe anymore!
This from our latest Blastmail
"Perhaps most importantly, the trip mix is primarily impacted by the Company’s failure to properly staff the L-CAL side of the house. EWR, DEN and ORD are understaffed, while IAH is overstaffed"

Then you look at the LPA for Sept-
Shows LPA below the 82 + 8 or 84 : 90 for the following BES's
737 FO; CLE, DEN, EWR, IAH and ORD.
Nothing for 756 anywhere nor any other BES's too.

Then you have the SRM being offered to certain BES's.. which would have you believe that those BES's are the ones short staffed!

Seriously, what a mess and what a joke. Then again, all we have to do is look at our IPad's to know what is really going on here.

Have a Good Sunday~
Almost NASCAR Time!
Motch

 

Yes... But.... If the 14-02 awarded you new equipment/status and you have no training date scheduled by the SLI then you will be considered staffed on current equipment but with displacement rights.
Or is the 14-02A the new cutoff?
We'll find out soon...

 

Can someone help me understand this apparent huge give by the UAL-MEC?

From the Transition and Protocol Agreement:
5-B-(i)-c. Pilots who, at the time of implementation of an integrated seniority list, are in the process of completing or who have completed qualification training for a new position (e.g., B-777 Captain or A-319 First Officer) may be assigned to the position for which they are being or have been trained, regardless of their relative standing on the Integrated Seniority List.

The way this was explained by the UAL-MEC, this paragraph prohibited L-CAL from publishing a bunch of Capt bids that they couldn’t train in time for the ISL. In other words, if the pilot hasn’t started training by the ISL, the bid would be cancelled and rebid under the new seniority of the ISL.


From the UAL-MEC’s explanation of the SFO 737 Base MOU:
At SLI, any positions not already trained, or not scheduled with a training date before the last day of the Nov 2013 bid period will be canceled and re-bid across the UPA merged seniority list.

Now with SFO 737 MOU, any L-CAL pilot that hasn’t been “scheduled” for training by the last day of Nov 2013 will lose their bid. So am I reading this correctly? If we get an ISL in September, that the L-CAL pilots have two more months to get scheduled for training and keep their bid regardless of whether or not the ISL gave them the seniority to hold it? That flies in the face of how the T&PA was explained.