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08-10-2013 | 11:14 AM
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Interesting..
So now the questions are-
How old are yours?
What kind of shape are they in?
Have they been upgraded with WiFi, Lie Flats, new IFE systems?
Motch
PS> Iv'e always loved the Whale. Classic looking airplane.. and there must be a niche market for them on certain routes. Was hoping we'd order a dozen or so -8's, but not looking like it anymore~ oh well..
So now the questions are-
How old are yours?
What kind of shape are they in?
Have they been upgraded with WiFi, Lie Flats, new IFE systems?
Motch
PS> Iv'e always loved the Whale. Classic looking airplane.. and there must be a niche market for them on certain routes. Was hoping we'd order a dozen or so -8's, but not looking like it anymore~ oh well..
08-10-2013 | 11:31 AM
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NW/DL was the launch customer of the 744, so at best they just as old as the UAL ones. DL birds do not have the international wifi the UAL ones do have. UAL began updating the cabins to be lie flat in 2008 with four class service. DL replaced the angle lie flat seats with lie flat a year ago and more recently also added Y+ service and AVOD at every seat.
The current UA 747 config in the 3rd version for first class, 2nd version for business class, and the first real update for economy (other than adding E+). Goes to show where UAL puts their priorities on that aircraft and who pays the freight.
08-10-2013 | 12:00 PM
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08-10-2013 | 12:05 PM
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It would seem that Delta's Whales are older than United's..
So it will be interesting to see who retires their fleets first. Though, LUAL stated that the A350/B787 order (original) was for fleet replacement.
Always thought that the Whale made tons of money on Cargo.. but then again, we're not a cargo airline~
Motch
So it will be interesting to see who retires their fleets first. Though, LUAL stated that the A350/B787 order (original) was for fleet replacement.
Always thought that the Whale made tons of money on Cargo.. but then again, we're not a cargo airline~
Motch
08-10-2013 | 12:12 PM
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Trust me, I want to see them flying as long as possible (and no, it's not because I want a seat on the Whale~)
All metal flown by mainline pilots is a good thing. Aircraft sent to the boneyard without a like replacement is a bad thing.
Motch
08-10-2013 | 12:39 PM
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If you're referring to the JCBA, yes it is/was insulting. With ratification it stopped the continued downsizing of the UAL side and growth on the CAL side. Jeff and JP expected it to fail and played the wrong play in trying to delay the JCBA. The UAL side won in protecting Captain seats that would have devastated some careers.
What improvements over the JCBA do you think we would have achieved by voting it down? Any guess as to the time it would have taken given the Jeff and CAL side had not desire for a contract?
What improvements over the JCBA do you think we would have achieved by voting it down? Any guess as to the time it would have taken given the Jeff and CAL side had not desire for a contract?
I know there's been a lot of talk about Pierce being the puppet master who manipulated the JCBA negotiations for our SLI benefit. Maybe that's true to an extent (I honestly don't know), but Pierce has been playing checkers while Jeff Smisek was playing chess. Ignore him at your peril.
08-10-2013 | 12:55 PM
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With all due respect, I think you underestimate Jeff. He didn't expect or want the JCBA to fail. Why do you think you guys have been whipsawed so much the last three years? IMHO, management's plan from the start was to screw over the larger subsidiary so a majority of pilots would feel compelled to vote in a sub-standard contract.
I know there's been a lot of talk about Pierce being the puppet master who manipulated the JCBA negotiations for our SLI benefit. Maybe that's true to an extent (I honestly don't know), but Pierce has been playing checkers while Jeff Smisek was playing chess. Ignore him at your peril.
I know there's been a lot of talk about Pierce being the puppet master who manipulated the JCBA negotiations for our SLI benefit. Maybe that's true to an extent (I honestly don't know), but Pierce has been playing checkers while Jeff Smisek was playing chess. Ignore him at your peril.
Just as reference this contract did more to help the CAL side. It brought you guys up to the industry standard and will give you a better QOL. You're welcome.
08-10-2013 | 01:12 PM
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08-10-2013 | 02:45 PM
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I don't think JP is a puppet master but more a puppet. Never underestimated Jeff at all - he's controlled JP from day one. The sub-standard contract you refer to, is that, but had the UAL side not voted it in the whip-sawing would have continued. At least we all suffer the same pain under the same contract. Could be an incentive to pay attention next time and not allow your elected leaders make your decisions for you. Jeff choose CAL as the whip because of history and he knew JP would go along with him.
Just as reference this contract did more to help the CAL side. It brought you guys up to the industry standard and will give you a better QOL. You're welcome.
Just as reference this contract did more to help the CAL side. It brought you guys up to the industry standard and will give you a better QOL. You're welcome.
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