Last I checked, "pulling gear" wasn't a seat-specific task; it's a PM task.

 

If the list comes out Friday, how long until the list is in effect? With some furloughed LUAL pilots at LCAL would they possibly go in front of people on the Oct bid or will this get dragged out?

 

Holy crap.

You honestly don't know what this expression means???

It's been used for decades....

 

Says a lot doesn't it?

 

Immediately, then about 6 to 12 months training for all L-UAL pilots for copilots transition, since SLI will be based on career expectation :-).
Just kidding, could't resist..
Soon, right after all the lawsuits, we all will be holding hands and signing kumbaya, I got a box of kleenex for any emotional impact.

 

IMHO, it's very fair questions like this that provide the incentive for the MEC(s) to receive the award first so they can complete a communication package to accompany the award. Ultimately it all depends on where everybody ends up on the list and what restrictions, including effective date, the arbitrators establish.

In other words, we really know nothing for certain until we see the actual award.

But in theory, if the arbitrators were to award a straight DOH list (for example only) with an effective date of the October bid month and if nobody is able to convince a federal judge to issue a TRO involving a case of binding arbitration (good luck with that), then yes, many former sCAL BES lists could be radically changed overnight.

 

Thanks for the reply. I wasn't sure if there was something already in place between the unions and the company stating when the list would go into effect. Or if it would be included in the arbs ruling.

It seems like if it is left up to the MEC's to decide after the list comes out there will be more MEC fighting and foot dragging.

 

Yup. That's the exact reason the company demanded that the second half of the "signing bonus" (cough) not be paid until the ISL is complete.

And it's also the same reason that one will find language that deals with disputes. Here's an example from the Pinnacle restrictions:

 

Valid question/point..
As I've stated a few times, I think that those LUAL Furloughees who took a position at LCAL as Newhires will actually win with regards to this statement (especially the Vol Furloughees).

When PBS opens on the 6th of Sept, some pilots may have increased bidding power while others may actually lose (worse case) or remain the same (best case) with regards to what they can bid (for Octobers Schedule).

Also.. since bid 1402A just posted, there are plenty of openings in EWR/IAH on the 737/756. So, the likelihood of newhires/recalls being brought back into those positions is pretty good. But someone already flying at LCAL will be able to base trade easily once they start moving fleets around.

Come Friday (hopefully), if we have "The List", then in October there will be serious changes. The good news is, hiring and training probably won't slow down any time soon.
The company probably wants Newhires in most of these positions.. at first year pay!
I expect many LUAL Furloughees will still hold out till they can get a recall to the base of their choosing!

Interesting times~
Motch

 

Just putting this out there. I was told by a union dolt very involved that a UAL furloughee at CAL keeps their current CAL seniority until there is a vacancy bid. At that time when they rebid into their base they revert to the new ISL determined seniority. So until man power planning drops a system wide bid, UAL furloghees at CAL remain at their current junior status no matter what the list says. I for one think that is a BS and certainly agree with any outrage.