Slats Extend

I'm not bidding it until it stops catching on fire for at least 5 years..

APC225

That's not the disservice that affects the rest of my career.

Regularguy

Deferred

It's the industry norm because 2005 seniority isn't very senior in the overall industry.

You wee living under false growth since 2010, as so many have pointed out nicely.

UalHvy

Ha! Good point.

Monkeyfly

Not to add fuel to this dung-fire but I thought it might be interesting to see the combined base junior man in operation table for the new numbers.

Disclaimer: These numbers are approximate. The number may not match the name on the list.

400 CAP
LAX(792) SFO(1672)

400 FO
LAX(6205) SFO(7780)

777 CAP
SEA(1224) LAX(1460) ORD(1633) SFO(1786) DCA(1931) IAH(2090) NYC(2435)

777 FO
SEA(6359) LAX(6905) SFO(7231) DCA(7358) ORD(7394) IAH (9786) NYC(10307)

787 CAP
IAH(1584)

787 FO
IAH(10883)

767 CAP
SEA(2353) DEN(4035) SFO(4596) DCA(4630) LAX(4631) ORD(4705) IAH(8835) NYC(9153)

767 FO
SEA(6359) DEN(8586) LAX(9612) DCA(9856) ORD(10094) SFO(10419) IAH(12155+) NYC(12155+)

320 CAP
DEN(5731) IAH(5732) LAX(5963) NYC(6064) ORD(6082) SFO(6452) DCA(6518)

320 FO
NYC(9970) DCA(10376) IAH(10380) DEN(10419) ORD(10471) SFO(10444) LAX(10918)

737 CAP
CLE(8375) SFO(8820) GUM(8995) DEN(9089) LAX(9237) IAH(9538) ORD(9695) NYC(9837)

737 FO
SFO(11324) DEN(11799) ORD(11882) LAX(12111) CLE(12155+) GUM(12155+) IAH(12155+) NYC(12155+)

LAX Pilot

Can't see many CAL guys coming into the Airbus fleet when the guppies are much more of a junior fleet. A couple guys will take the opportunity to move into the guppy from the Airbus, especially in DEN, LAX, SFO, and ORD.

Toddnel

I can see a lot of folks trying to get into A 320 CAP in LAX, SFO and maybe ORD if the flying is good. The 737 flying in the DEN and LAX base is poor at best. Most of our really senior guys commute from the west coast and DEN.

It will require openings however in order to move.

SEDPA

It wasn't false growth, nor was it s/l-UAL growth ... It was growth enabled only by s/l-CAL, and never would have happened at L-UAL when it did, never. The arbs gave you part of that equity in the award ... I can live with that. So many UAL guys don't realize it, but this award in soooo many ways, ignores the precedent of past, and sets new ground for the future ... Without the policy change, this award never ever would have looked this way ... go review history ... Rarely have furloughed pilots been placed above active pilots ... Extremely rare in the history of arbitrations ... And the hybrid methodology has never been used ... This will haunt all of us again sometime in the future.

Toddnel

Time to let it all go as fighting will not change a thing. I realize both sides are doing their best to perpetuate the battle (ie. the UA MEC dispute over the 787 fence and the threatened s-CAL pilot lawsuit) but in the end, the list will stand. The sooner everyone vents and gets this out of their system the better we will be moving forward.

The real enemy is the crappy airline we have become and the true battle is to run the best operation on the planet and to get ready for the next contract.

Jimmykool

I'm an 11/2007 with LUal and been at LCal for about a year. Anybody know how vacation will be credited to me and will my pay rate go up or stay the same until I have enough "sweat equity" to equal my current pay rate and then go up from there?