The most junior guy on property when CAL furloughed in 9/08 was hired 5/08. What math are you using?

ALPA policy must be changed to account for who has more furloughs, CAL definitely had less baggage in this respect.

 

Some of the UAL furloughs had a lot of longevity, but some had very little. A Sept 2001 hire had very little. We also had 08 hires that were furloughed almost immediately. LOA 25 gave these guys a huge payraise.

I can't imagine why the jr UAL guys are pi$$ed other than that they still work at UAL. They got an unprecedented good deal in the SLI. Time to suck it up and move forward.

 

Good deal?

UAL furloughed pilots being placed behind CAL furloughed pilots with far less longevity and hired 8 years after they did...

...strange definition of "good".

I agree it's time to move forward... but it's also time for the generalized concept that ALL the UAL furloughed pilots got a "good deal" to end. It's just not true.

 

You do realize that, as characterized by your MC, UAL furloughed pilots were integrated with active pilots in "unprecedented" numbers, meaning more than ever in HISTORY ... and when you look at that history, rarely or very rarely (like almost never) have inactive pilots integrated above active pilots. If you are that peeved, perhaps you should have chosen CAL instead of UAL? But then again, sometimes, I guess some folks don't have to live with the decisions they make.

 

Reading comprehension must not be your strong suit. Let me simplify it for you with font enhancements.

The point that was being made is that not ALL furloughed UAL pilots were integrated among active CAL pilots. There are many that were placed behind CAL pilots whom had the same category and status (ie: zero) with FAR less longevity. To lump ALL furloughed UAL pilots into one category of pilots whom received a great award result is disingenuous at best.

Not every UAL furloughed pilot received such a great deal as the CAL pilots like to point out. It's just not true.

 

DOH is meaningless. If you were hired 30 years ago and have been furloughed 29 of those years your DOH means squat...understand this.

 

Appropriate for a recall effort?

We are about 3 weeks or so away from a joint MEC meeting in which Lee Moak will essentially dissolve both MECs and create a new United MEC. There will be interim officers for the meeting until the new MEC members elect new MEC officers. A recall effort certainly isn't necessary at this stage.

It might also surprise you to know that JP has said he is not interested in a new position on the combined MEC. He stated that he believes neither he nor JH should be chair of the new MEC. He does feel it should be a United pilot as MEC chair because simply put the United side is the larger of the two pilot groups. In addition, he stated there was one person in particular on the United side he thought would make an outstanding MEC chairman. All from his mouth in a CAL LEC meeting.

 

...yet you still continue to conveniently overlook LONGEVITY.

CAL furloughed pilot longevity = less

UAL furloughed pilot longevity = more

Status and category were equal.

Once again, the point is that not ALL furloughed UAL pilots received a favorable award, and the constant mantra about how ALL the UAL furloughs got such a great deal is not valid. Understand that.


You'll notice (if you actually paid attention) that I never indicated that DOH should've been considered for the ISL... only that the disparity between DOH is just an added slap in the face to those that were placed behind others with less longevity.

 

Not exactly true. Everybody in the same Status and Category was not treated equally. If you were the #1 highest in Narrow FO you were only slightly worse than the last pilot in Medium FO. So if you were furlough #1 you were just slightly worse than active -dash last.

So it wasn't like all the Wide Captains got 100 points, all the Medium Captains 80 points, etc.

Same with the furloughees.

Pilots that are very close to the line in each category have the same bidding power roughly. This was included in the math that made the award, which is why it looks so "smooth".

 

Yes, you are correct. There wouldn't be enough time to go through a recall process. However, his actions over the past 3 years need to be held in the forefront of what we as a group will not tolerate from our leaders. His actions over the past 3 years cost each and every United pilot money as he played bully games at and with JCBA and SLI.
I think he does a good job of stating the obvious though. He couldn't get elected to any ALPA office and to suggest that a ex-UAL type should be Master Chairman is a joke considering the UAL side will control the votes going into combined MEC - guess he wants to take credit for an ex-UAL type being elected MEC chairman or is he just trying to BLACKLIST an old UAL foe.
He deserves a boot on the backside leaving instead of a pat on the back. I hope there will be large enough group of pilots there to give him a hardy salute.