ChrisJT6

Ah...NO.
Lame excuses for not wanting to be apart of the future of fixing our union...Glenn and Mark found a way to help...CAL guys. Did you speak up when your rep spoke of his pleasure to drag this on forever?
Today...we contract way more 50 seaters than our competitors. I want a scope that protects our jobs as much as our competitors is competitive.

ChrisJT6

Did you speak up in opposition to your reps position of exactly that?

And why would you be offended if a UAL asked you anyway? I said it to your MEC VC in person in public IAH Trng Ctr SEP 12...along with almost every class.

Lerxst

Weren't Glen and Mark elected after SLI and after we were one MEC?

ChrisJT6

Exactly. The we are not welcome in ALPA anymore is no good..it may be messed up but it is out union and CAL and UAL pilots must be involved to fix it and they are doing so in my opinion.

LeeFXDWG

Don't have the beating a dead horse emoticon on this computer.....otherwise......

Give it up folks.

Lee

sleeves

How many Committees are led by ex-Cal pilots? Glenn and Mark were elected in a base that is dominated with ex-cal types. Had l-UAL been the dominate vote they never would have been on the ballot.

You have some serious flawed logic when it comes to scope. " I want a scope that protects our jobs as much as our competitors is competitive." That is some genuine frontier gibberish. I think what you are trying and failing to say is that you want to protect jobs and make the company competitive.
First of all nobody told the company they needed to purchase those planes. The company screwed up by doing so, not the pilot group by refusing to allow larger planes in the past. By your logic all flying should be given away, just think how profitable they could be then. Or is it we should only give away the flying you no longer wish to do so that you can get a raise.
Secondly, if you are so concerned with being competitive, why not have us fly the planes at a rate that is competitive. At least it would be flown by pilots that have been trained by UAL, care about the UAL passengers and the well being of our company.
The company is coming for the 90-110 seaters next time. They have no intention of putting them on our property now because they know guys like you can be bought off. You are correct I voted NO. I will never vote yes for a contract that gives away scope or job protections.

sleeves

If you are referring to Jason Barons comment, then you are taking it out of context. His comment was used not to delay negotiations but to influence your side to quit demanding the 747 get a higher pay scale, so we could move forward. Just because we disagreed with your position, does not mean stalling occurred as to drag out negotiations. You guys wanted your plane to pay higher, we did not, and a nasty battle ensued. This comment probably speed things up as it conveyed to your side that we were not going to relinquish on the point. If Jason wanted to stall negotiations he could have voted not to approve this contract at the MEC level. If Pierce wanted to delay this contract we would still not have one. Maybe you should have talked to your side and told them to agree with Jason sooner.

ChrisJT6

70 seaters were already at express before our JCBA vote yeah? I've never voted to give our flying away but don't crap on my legacy predecessors who saw their airline attacked and on the verge of going away after 9/11, as well as American. Bought off? How do you accuse anyone of being bought off as you also brag of your Junior manning 200% collections? Why would Jeff listen to you during negotiations as long as you'd take the money? Don't read my posts that hard...read our JCBA scope section though and compare...it is the best in the industry today. Yeah, I wish we still had all kinds of things but 70 seater ship sailed and think we have a better contract to force Small NBs than Delta that actually got em...ur right we can't force our company to buy planes.

sleeves

You voted to give them 76 seaters this time. Almost a 10% increase. They have yet to hit the line but are coming. Junior. manning is meant to penalize the company for not staffing properly. It must be working as they are training people as fast as they can.

Btw, I would never pick up a trip for straight or double time with guys on involuntary furlough. I did not "brag" about it either just pointed out that I am prepared if I get knocked down to reserve or off my position, as one of your guys was wishing bad Karma on all of us JR Capt.

intrepidcv11

Actually I haven't been offended when asked if and why I voted no. Most UAL guys I've flown with have agreed that my logic had merit. But in your eyes I voted no out of greed cause I sucked up scab culture apparently.

You want a unified pilot group, right? You won't win over the pragmatic from L-CAL if you keep insisting we sat around in private high fiving each other over how awesome it is was that we were getting upgrades despite POS Contact 02. BTW, I told Jabba the Hut long ago that he was a waste of space for making the remarks your kind loves to tattoo on every CAL pilot. And Ben, sorry got no love for his bombast either.