In the matter of: UAL DRC vs CAL DRC
05-31-2014, 11:26 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by XHooker
How about using the planes and people we used back when we flew to those cities and competed against the exact same carriers? Our fleet size isn't fixed in stone.
I'm really surprised that all the consolidation has been allowed to happen in the last 6 years. It just makes less decision makers, which leads to easier collusion, whether it is verbal or implied. Either way, its good for all of us, because we all have less competitors now, and all the pilots jobs have been retained.
I'd love to see United grow, but I'd take a static airline the size we have now that is profitable and stable over growth and then have it all fall apart later.
05-31-2014, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisJT6
Now that we rebeat the crap out of our historical mud fight...I think you will find a significant amount of your new fellow pilots agree and will fight a bloody war over holding the line on 76 seaters.
05-31-2014, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by pilot64golfer
Easy. Its not linear.
I have friends at DAL complain about cities they fly RJs into and we fly mainline into. You can't just look at one or two cities. You have to look at the entire picture.
Yes SCOPE isn't perfect and its never going to be. Let's not let the quest for perfect SCOPE be the enemy of a good overall contract.
I think if and when we get a 100 seat jet on the property as a net increase guys are going to feel better about this. I'm just surprised that there hasn't been an order yet.
I have friends at DAL complain about cities they fly RJs into and we fly mainline into. You can't just look at one or two cities. You have to look at the entire picture.
Yes SCOPE isn't perfect and its never going to be. Let's not let the quest for perfect SCOPE be the enemy of a good overall contract.
I think if and when we get a 100 seat jet on the property as a net increase guys are going to feel better about this. I'm just surprised that there hasn't been an order yet.
06-01-2014, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by intrepidcv11
Lol! And maybe this will be the Cubs year!
We lost our 50 seat scope in a shady one man 9/11 side-letter...you lost your 50 seat scope when the CO code ceased upon a merger (source: CAL MEC VC), where do all these huge scope warrior soap boxes come from? One can live in the toxic slick tie minority or productively move on. Go Cubs.
06-01-2014, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisJT6
Why not unite over scope? Who does it help to predict future failures and losses?
We lost our 50 seat scope in a shady one man 9/11 side-letter...you lost your 50 seat scope when the CO code ceased upon a merger (source: CAL MEC VC), where do all these huge scope warrior soap boxes come from? One can live in the toxic slick tie minority or productively move on. Go Cubs.
We lost our 50 seat scope in a shady one man 9/11 side-letter...you lost your 50 seat scope when the CO code ceased upon a merger (source: CAL MEC VC), where do all these huge scope warrior soap boxes come from? One can live in the toxic slick tie minority or productively move on. Go Cubs.
You are the one that brought scope to this discussion in post 5. It does need to be talked about seeing that we still have guys willing to buy the market forces BS.
06-01-2014, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisJT6
Now that we rebeat the crap out of our historical mud fight...I think you will find a significant amount of your new fellow pilots agree and will fight a bloody war over holding the line on 76 seaters.
We just had a group of really "tough" guys wet themselfs when threatened. YES, YES, YES they said. What do you think new hires are going to say?????
Unbelievable.
PAPER TIGERS.
06-02-2014, 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisJT6
Why not unite over scope? Who does it help to predict future failures and losses?
We lost our 50 seat scope in a shady one man 9/11 side-letter...you lost your 50 seat scope when the CO code ceased upon a merger (source: CAL MEC VC), where do all these huge scope warrior soap boxes come from? One can live in the toxic slick tie minority or productively move on. Go Cubs.
We lost our 50 seat scope in a shady one man 9/11 side-letter...you lost your 50 seat scope when the CO code ceased upon a merger (source: CAL MEC VC), where do all these huge scope warrior soap boxes come from? One can live in the toxic slick tie minority or productively move on. Go Cubs.
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