sleeves

I see you added this since my reply. Best in the Industry? You ever heard of Southwest? You might read their scope section. The 70 seat ship sailed but if you think this fight is over keep dreaming. Like I said they will come for bigger aircraft next time. There is gonna be another scare tactic on why you need to give it away (stick) and a fat raise or contract improvement for YOU (carrot) when you do.

ChrisJT6

You tell me Jason Barons sped up the JCBA process, you maybe right in a sick way as he sure got a s-load of sUAL yes votes every time he communicated..I've got nothing more.

Probe

Couldn't agree more.

I would much rather go back to abusing Staller/Carolsdanger. Plus he is on my side of the fence so the other side doesn't mind me kicking him while he is down.

Hi Staller.

pilot64golfer

Your measurement of scope is obviously "what size airplanes can your code share partner fly". So you measured the old 50 seat limit for jets at CAL, ignoring that they could fly larger turboprops that carried 78 people (Q-400) and Southwest. Well Southwest is an all guppy airline. They don't need feed because they don't service small communities. Southwest isn't flying passengers from numerous smaller markets to SFO to put them on a 747 to Sydney Australia. They service large cities in the US. Most express flights service small cities.

Also, pre merger, CAL code shared with United, so you were ok with United flying 747s and 777s with CAL passengers on them, but then you have a problem with 76 seat jets?

You have a very myopic view of what scope is. Right now, for major airlines, United has the best protections. Ask the experts and learn, and please quit making very simple observations about something that you are unfamiliar with as a whole. To me this is like passengers explaining turbulent as "air pockets". It shows me they don't understand.

sleeves

This is the exact attitude that has led to 66% of domestic flights being outsourced. http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/...d_airlines.php. hey I am sure they are all small city's. Like Chicago-Boston or Chicago-Washington. United: First Embraer E175s to fly from Chicago in May No way a mainline pilot could possibly be used to those farm communities!You are wrong, a large portion of express is to and from Large cities like the ones above. In fact most of the explosive growth came at the expense of Major airlines giving flying away that used to be done by DC-9's, classic 737's, Fokker 100's etc. As the 175's come on line expect them to increase service to the larger cities even more. But hey, as long as YOUR jumbo flying is there that's all that matters. YOU don't want anything to do with those little planes. Let's sell that flying and then complain about regional pilots taking our flying. This is not a code share! Big difference between this and a code share.

The turbo prop's should be scoped too but there is a huge difference between turbo prop service and jet service. Any real pilot would know that. Even the passengers that explain turbulence as air pockets know that turbo props are never going to replace jets on a large scale, like when you lose 66% of the domestic schedule.

I wish I did not know anything about scope and how the lack of it effect pilots. Unfortunately, I have lived it for 20 years.

pilot64golfer

So how much pay are you willing to give up so that a pilot on the seniority list can pilot that 76 seat jet between Sioux Falls and Des Moines? Because these things do not happen in a vacuum, and it we want these protections, we will have to give to the company.

Contracts are negotiated. Get on the negotiating committee and make it look the way you want. We all get to vote on the tradeoffs, and this is one a vast majority of pilots agree with.

Welcome to democracy.

pilot64golfer

Attitudes didn't create this. Market forces did. If you want to fly those routes, Skywest is hiring.

sleeves

How many more routes and jobs you gonna give away? All of them except yours right. It's all about the Jumbos. Attitudes did create this, it's why I will never vote to give up scope, cause I don't want to work for a regional again.

pilot64golfer

Vote no all you want. Your no vote won't stop market forces.

CousinEddie

"His" will quite possibly go away if operations like NAI gain approval and Middle Eastern carriers succeed with their plans. It won't matter how we vote if we can't win in the marketplace.