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Old 04-04-2015 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Kilder
Really...A Recession my friend is not based on an analyst report of what he or she or they feel the future holds...a Recession is based on historical data that shows a contraction of an economy.


DEFINITION OF 'RECESSION'
A significant decline in activity across the economy, lasting longer than a few months. It is visible in industrial production, employment, real income and wholesale-retail trade. The technical indicator of a recession is two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth as measured by a country's gross domestic product (GDP); although the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) does not necessarily need to see this occur to call a recession.

None of this has happened and no company would base it's future moves on an analyst prediction. The economy of Houston and Texas is not the same from the 1970's, it is a diversified economy that has the necessary tools to outlive this oil issue. No indicator as I posted before shows a recession...

P.S. I'm not complaining about the merger...we are discussing the apparent desire by some to displace in IAH when many of us feel it is not necessary...why do you people keep adding arguments to this discussion???
A recession is CONFIRMED with 2 quarters of economic contraction. Historical data only confirms the contraction.

Companies make decisions based on analyst estimates all of the time. And the economy of Houston and Texas are still heavily dependent on oil. Google 'energy capital of the world'.

You're not complaining about the merger???? You've done that several times in this thread. As far as displacements, you may not think it's necessary but the suits in Willis Tower disagree with you. What you or I think about the displacements doesn't matter and it's not the union's job to assign aircraft and crews to domiciles.
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Old 04-04-2015 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
A recession is CONFIRMED with 2 quarters of economic contraction. Historical data only confirms the contraction.
We don't need to be in a recession to have flying based out of places where management thinks they can fly it more efficiently and profitably.

This has nothing to do with anything outside United. Its an internal decision.

Deal with it.
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Old 04-04-2015 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Kilder
Dude, you just summarized LCal's argument throughout the whole ISL argument.


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How did that argument work out for you in arbitration? Obviously the arbitration board thought your argument was grossly immature, incompetent, without merit, and based on fantasy. Maybe you didn't get the memo?

How can the union prevent the company from making managerial staffing decisions? What is your advice to the union?
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Old 04-04-2015 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by pilot64golfer
We don't need to be in a recession to have flying based out of places where management thinks they can fly it more efficiently and profitably.

This has nothing to do with anything outside United. Its an internal decision.

Deal with it.
I understand that it's a management decision to shift the flying, but my point was that the regional recession doesn't help IAH's ability to support a certain level of flying because O&D traffic/yields are going to be negatively impacted out of IAH.

Bottom line, yes, it's strictly a management decision. The union has no role in deciding how many of each aircraft will be flown from any hub.
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Old 04-05-2015 | 09:19 AM
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First, There is no recession in Houston. There is a re-shaping of some energy markets and a cyclical contraction based on global supply and demand, which resulted in a temporary draw-down of exploration and some domestic production.

Second, Much of the worlds energy production depends on geo-political stability and right now while OPEC has decided to keep production up and prices low there is a residual effect on advanced economies such as ours. The Geopolitical issues are in part brought to bear as a punishment to Russia, and Venezueala, which don't much have an interest in OPEC, and decline in Chinese demand. OPEC won't keep the price low for too much longer. It's quid-pro-quo agreement to affect Russia and help the Obama administration will be over in 6 to 9 months.

Third, The union doesn't represent the IAH pilots over the DEN pilots. The abortion that was the ISL process is over. ALPA doesn't care, never did. ALPA just wants your dues money to keep pumping in. They don't care if you live in DEN or IAH, or SEA, etc. They know, no matter where you are based you still have a position on the list, and you continue to pay dues. Also, the company doesn't care where you are based either. If management wants pay for company moves all the time, that's their business.

Fourth, I thought the Airbus would come in to IAH along time ago. Supposedly its ideal for cargo (which we don't fully capitalize on) in Latin America.
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Old 04-06-2015 | 04:10 AM
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Denver is nice in the Fall.
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Old 04-06-2015 | 05:59 AM
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The reality is that realignment of flying, manning and personell. When the shifting of any of this occurs there are winners and losers. I'm losing on this last shifting but the silver lining is that we are close to being done. I think we needed this last year so we could be done with it. This allows us to then make the plans we need for us professionally and personally while providing much needed stability.
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Old 04-06-2015 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by flybynuts
The reality is that realignment of flying, manning and personell. When the shifting of any of this occurs there are winners and losers. I'm losing on this last shifting but the silver lining is that we are close to being done. I think we needed this last year so we could be done with it. This allows us to then make the plans we need for us professionally and personally while providing much needed stability.
No drinking and commenting. Step away from the keyboard and go to sleep, lmao!
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Old 04-06-2015 | 10:12 AM
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Dang iphone!!!! Can't stand how you can't edit the posts after its been awhile.

Let me clarify...
Realignments of large magnitudes happen with mergers. This is one of the last to put people, planes and equipment in the right places for market capitalization and utilization. It's painful but once it's over we have stability. With this stability we can hopefully live our lives better and try and plan according to a more solid base and equipment structure.

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Old 04-06-2015 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by flybynuts
Dang iphone!!!! Can't stand how you can't edit the posts after its been awhile.

Let me clarify...
Realignments of large magnitudes happen with mergers. This is one of the last to put people, planes and equipment in the right places for market capitalization and utilization. It's painful but once it's over we have stability. With this stability we can hopefully live our lives better and try and plan according to a more solid base and equipment structure.
Stability? In the airline industry? ROTFLMAO

Still looking for that bottle of JD...........
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