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05-23-2015 | 10:54 AM
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From: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
1. As has been noted several times there is also clear contract language that deals with closing a base. Look it up.
2. The "shenanigans" that increased IAH occurred well before the Merger. C171 at the time was "lead" by a whole different demographic. I believe that Ben was actually EWR based when it happen. The company should pay extensively to play with people's but mainly IAH pilots, lives like this.
2. The "shenanigans" that increased IAH occurred well before the Merger. C171 at the time was "lead" by a whole different demographic. I believe that Ben was actually EWR based when it happen. The company should pay extensively to play with people's but mainly IAH pilots, lives like this.
05-23-2015 | 11:18 AM
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But I also have to disagree with another point as the staffing shenanigans in IAH continued well into, and after, the merger and only stopped now with the recent "plan" to rebalance flying from IAH to the bases where the flying actually occurs. By definition, there would not be a need to rebalance if staffing was actually squared away in the first place.
I primarily blame the company for this fiasco with C171 (and the pre-ISL LCAL MEC) as an enabling accessory right up until the shoe was on the other foot.
05-23-2015 | 12:34 PM
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1. As has been noted several times there is also clear contract language that deals with closing a base. Look it up.
2. The "shenanigans" that increased IAH occurred well before the Merger. C171 at the time was "lead" by a whole different demographic. I believe that Ben was actually EWR based when it happen. The company should pay extensively to play with people's lives like this.
2. The "shenanigans" that increased IAH occurred well before the Merger. C171 at the time was "lead" by a whole different demographic. I believe that Ben was actually EWR based when it happen. The company should pay extensively to play with people's lives like this.
I wish we HADN'T given the company relief there. It would have been WAY more costly for them to have to put bids out instead of grandfathering. THAT is how you make them stop bumping and closing. Make it expensive to do so. What C171 proposes is a WIN for the company.
2. You want the company to pay for messing with people's lives? Well giving them 24 month grandfather rights is exactly the opposite. It SAVES the company money.
05-23-2015 | 12:48 PM
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1. We aren't talking about the 747 Base CLOSING. At issue was the base REOPENING. I don't think that has ever happened in such a short time frame.
I wish we HADN'T given the company relief there. It would have been WAY more costly for them to have to put bids out instead of grandfathering. THAT is how you make them stop bumping and closing. Make it expensive to do so.
I wish we HADN'T given the company relief there. It would have been WAY more costly for them to have to put bids out instead of grandfathering. THAT is how you make them stop bumping and closing. Make it expensive to do so.
The ORD 747 situation, although a completely different scenario, was a still mistake on our part. What C171 is proposing is ridiculous, IMHO, with some consequences that are immediately obvious and others that will haunt us for years.
05-23-2015 | 12:55 PM
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1. As has been noted several times there is also clear contract language that deals with closing a base. Look it up.
2. The "shenanigans" that increased IAH occurred well before the Merger. C171 at the time was "lead" by a whole different demographic. I believe that Ben was actually EWR based when it happen. The company should pay extensively to play with people's lives like this.
2. The "shenanigans" that increased IAH occurred well before the Merger. C171 at the time was "lead" by a whole different demographic. I believe that Ben was actually EWR based when it happen. The company should pay extensively to play with people's lives like this.
Your argument is flawed.
The contract covered the closing of a base. It did NOT cover the reopening of the exact same base a few months later. Hence the MOU.
As others have said, I would rather have seen seniority dictate the filling of the vacancies. In reality, pilots on that equip were so senior, they would have held it anyway.
This IAH proposal is not similar at all.
05-23-2015 | 01:49 PM
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You're about as thick as they come.
Your argument is flawed.
The contract covered the closing of a base. It did NOT cover the reopening of the exact same base a few months later. Hence the MOU.
As others have said, I would rather have seen seniority dictate the filling of the vacancies. In reality, pilots on that equip were so senior, they would have held it anyway.
This IAH proposal is not similar at all.
Your argument is flawed.
The contract covered the closing of a base. It did NOT cover the reopening of the exact same base a few months later. Hence the MOU.
As others have said, I would rather have seen seniority dictate the filling of the vacancies. In reality, pilots on that equip were so senior, they would have held it anyway.
This IAH proposal is not similar at all.
I will leave out the personal attracts pertaining to yor intelligence.
05-23-2015 | 01:56 PM
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I agree that the 747 deal was a mistake. All that I have been pointing out on this thread is that it is hypocritical to give it to some and not to others, and that giving it to those pilots will go a long way in preventing them from coming back with vacancies quickly and replacing these guys ( flush bid) type of senario. Also, I feel there is a lot of LUAL people out to get the JR. LCAL Capt. I am even more sure of it after having participated in this thread.
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