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05-24-2015 | 10:11 AM
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Dude. Out of the 271 posted FO bids only 66 were for 737 FO. 205 were for 756 FO and above. I didn't think there were hardly any 756 FO UHires. Still sticking by that "majority" comment?
I will agree with you however on 14-02A's impact. After the fact it's impact wasn't huge. Bid 14-02D had much greater impact. But I blame Heppner more for 14-02D than the L-CAL pilots that snookered him.
I will agree with you however on 14-02A's impact. After the fact it's impact wasn't huge. Bid 14-02D had much greater impact. But I blame Heppner more for 14-02D than the L-CAL pilots that snookered him.
05-24-2015 | 10:12 AM
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But you are fixated on the SLI. You can see nothing else. That's why we got here from discussing the C-171 Displacement Resolution. It's a bad resolution as pointed out throughout this thread. It matters not how those pilots got there. It matters not that there is no conspiracy by management and ALPA to "get" those pilots. Nothing matters other than the company is balancing flying and the UPA already handles displacements. If the company returns 737 flying to IAH in the 24 months following the displacements then yes I could see a MOU granting the displaced pilots grandfather rights.
05-24-2015 | 10:40 AM
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[QUOTE=sleeves;1887856]Many of them were awarded these position well in advance of SLI. 13-08, which had a lot of JR CAPT. In it was a full year before SLI. As you noted 14-02 was 7 months. /QUOTE]
There were many pilots getting upgrades out of seniority pre-SLI. I'm glad you admitted it finally.
There were many pilots getting upgrades out of seniority pre-SLI. I'm glad you admitted it finally.
05-24-2015 | 10:41 AM
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OK Bill Clinton. If you want to get everyone to focus one point---yes, to say there were massive upgrades given away the day before SLI is false.
But you are fixated on the SLI. You can see nothing else. That's why we got here from discussing the C-171 Displacement Resolution. It's a bad resolution as pointed out throughout this thread. It matters not how those pilots got there. It matters not that there is no conspiracy by management and ALPA to "get" those pilots. Nothing matters other than the company is balancing flying and the UPA already handles displacements. If the company returns 737 flying to IAH in the 24 months following the displacements then yes I could see a MOU granting the displaced pilots grandfather rights.
But you are fixated on the SLI. You can see nothing else. That's why we got here from discussing the C-171 Displacement Resolution. It's a bad resolution as pointed out throughout this thread. It matters not how those pilots got there. It matters not that there is no conspiracy by management and ALPA to "get" those pilots. Nothing matters other than the company is balancing flying and the UPA already handles displacements. If the company returns 737 flying to IAH in the 24 months following the displacements then yes I could see a MOU granting the displaced pilots grandfather rights.
05-24-2015 | 11:11 AM
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No carveouts. Let seniority rule.
05-24-2015 | 12:14 PM
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OK Bill Clinton. If you want to get everyone to focus one point---yes, to say there were massive upgrades given away the day before SLI is false.
But you are fixated on the SLI. You can see nothing else. That's why we got here from discussing the C-171 Displacement Resolution. It's a bad resolution as pointed out throughout this thread. It matters not how those pilots got there. It matters not that there is no conspiracy by management and ALPA to "get" those pilots. Nothing matters other than the company is balancing flying and the UPA already handles displacements. If the company returns 737 flying to IAH in the 24 months following the displacements then yes I could see a MOU granting the displaced pilots grandfather rights.
But you are fixated on the SLI. You can see nothing else. That's why we got here from discussing the C-171 Displacement Resolution. It's a bad resolution as pointed out throughout this thread. It matters not how those pilots got there. It matters not that there is no conspiracy by management and ALPA to "get" those pilots. Nothing matters other than the company is balancing flying and the UPA already handles displacements. If the company returns 737 flying to IAH in the 24 months following the displacements then yes I could see a MOU granting the displaced pilots grandfather rights.
05-24-2015 | 12:17 PM
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[QUOTE=pilot64golfer;1887881]
Pre SLI there was not a seniority list so they could not have been out of seniority order. They are out of order now after the fact. It would take a flush bid to adjust it, something that all parties agreed not to do. How could anyone guess exactly what the order was gonna be pre SLI?
Many of them were awarded these position well in advance of SLI. 13-08, which had a lot of JR CAPT. In it was a full year before SLI. As you noted 14-02 was 7 months. /QUOTE]
There were many pilots getting upgrades out of seniority pre-SLI. I'm glad you admitted it finally.
There were many pilots getting upgrades out of seniority pre-SLI. I'm glad you admitted it finally.
05-24-2015 | 12:20 PM
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Apparently this is how it is done now as MOU 11 and 14 are carve outs, special deals for things that are certainly covered in the UPA.
05-24-2015 | 12:42 PM
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Also no one said a word back then about either of these being "carve-outs". Just like not one pilot complained about the SLI process to JP as he so brilliantly put in his post SLI award letter.
So if the MEC passes this and grants a carveout, you were right, and if not, you were wrong.
05-24-2015 | 12:44 PM
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I rarely make any statements about SLI and did not bring it into the discussion. As I have said I am not sure that I even support the resolution. I think MOU 11 and 14 both were carve outs (and mistakes) that gave the same special deal that these guys are looking for. I just find it hypocritical to give a carve out to some and not others.
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