This is a trick question, right?

How's everyone's paycheck and QOL since before/after? Seriously, I'm curious.

 

Yes, lual was more senior, and more unemployed.

 

Not so fast. The guy running the airline is a former Susman Godfrey Contracted attorney named Jeff Smizek who doesn't know how to run an airline. You lose.

The guy running manpower planning is drunk by 9 am and his staffing formula/crew compliment is a derivative of the square root of his grandmother's birthday.

 

We all lose now everyone. ******* Thank You.

 

It can't be water under the bridge with posts like this.

 

That right there was a classy move.......top notch.

 

Credit where credit is due, sleeves. I disagree with your argument but you have been very civil of late which I appreciate.

In my opinion the 747/777 is NOT a carve out. Any base closing going forward will include the 24 month grandfather rights, regardless of what it is I would bet. The MOU came about because a base closing followed by a re-opening a year later was so bone headed they didn't think of it while negotiating the contract. It causes a huge expensive mess for the company, which they earned. Personally I wish we had let them sit in it and not given them 24 month relief, but it is what it is. Going forward I expect you will see base closings have 24 month recall rights by MOU 14 and regular bumps be covered under Section 8. Unless this ill conceived C171 resolution is adopted

 

Well stated. If they close iah guppy then absolutely there should be extended rights. That said, if the MEC pursues this resolution, done. I don't think the political or financial capital exists to make it happen, but if it does so be it.

Look, there is a lt of angst going on right now. Look at the junior man list recently posted on the other site. The junior denver 737 cap is over 4000 numbers junior to how the last "bid" went a couple of years ago. There are a bunch of us on the outside looking in...

 

I think ALPA knew this was going to happen. In the one hand they want to make sure ALPA survives the merger due to all the decertification threats going on by both DAL and UAL pilots who were angry and had vehemently threatened to remove ALPA from the property if they didn't get a windfall.

So, when ALPA gave super seniority to unemployed former pilots who still held seniority/recall rights they sort of made this problem happen and they knew it would happen. ALPA chose to deal with the fall out later and just put the lists together. You (or anyone) can say it was an independent arbitrator, but there was everyone at CAL knew the pilots would be thrown under the bus just to save ALPA.

Now that ALPA has survived, ALPA will need to reassess how it can screw those pilots some more (or not). Curious to see what happens next. I do believe in about 2 to 3 years it will all wash out, but those that are "on the outside looking in" should remember, if it wasn't for the merger they would still be unemployed and there would have been about 1400 people still looking for a job. So, if those that are trying to break the glass to get inside want to truly break the glass, so be it. But, ALPA knows that they had to stiff arm the problem for about 5 years for things to wash and then hopefully by then ALPA National could get the pilots motivated, unified, and rallied around a few common enemies (foreign cabotage, UAL management).

I am just calling it like I see it. I think ALPA knew this was going to happen, but it chose to deal with the fall out later and just get it done for the sake of the survival of the association. The buerocracy is ALPA is very strong, and their unity within the tent is a testament to the resolve of the association. Contrast that with the FA unions and see how far apart they still are.

No employees had a vote in this merger. This was a UAL/CAL management and BOD decision. All employee groups were affected and none had a choice in the outcome. While I fully respect anyone's opinion on their perception of the current situation, I think their position is formed and colored by their "legacy" company and their current position on the list and their quality of life, and their perceived justice/or injustice.

This merger was far from perfect, but it is what it is. I only hope that ALPA displays the same long term resolve and loyalty to the pilots they sacrificed via seniority in order to make this happen that they did to those that were currently unemployed when the merger took place and needed a leg up to get a paycheck.

ALPA will stiff arm it from both sides (CAL and L UAL) because ALPA knows in about 2 to 3 years, due to retirements this all blows over. By then, those looking through the window will have a new window and a new seat to go with it.

 

Well we didn't get a windfall and we didn't decert ALPA so history has shown this to be false.