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05-21-2015 | 04:03 PM
#81
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Newsflash...want to know what happens when I fly with a guy I didn't enjoy flying with? At the end of the trip, I shake his hand, tell him to enjoy his days off, and go home. Usually nothing is ever said (unless the guy is a complete epic jerkoff). And that is probably the norm on the line...so it would behoove one to convince themselves that they are on everyone's bid list just yet.
The 747 deal was a carve out as well. A displacement is a displacement. Why couldn't they be subject to the normal process as well? What makes them so special? Either you support both or support neither, unless you are a hypocrite.
The whole intention of this resolution is to prevent a pseudo-flush bid a year later, one that Ineptner so desperately wants. I have zero trust in that divisive buffoon.
The 747 deal was a carve out as well. A displacement is a displacement. Why couldn't they be subject to the normal process as well? What makes them so special? Either you support both or support neither, unless you are a hypocrite.
The whole intention of this resolution is to prevent a pseudo-flush bid a year later, one that Ineptner so desperately wants. I have zero trust in that divisive buffoon.
I understand that you don't like Heppner. Fair enough. Every time Pierce or Salley open their mouth I want to vomit. I think it's just the nature of the beast.
The good news is that on the line I fly with a nice mix of LUAL, LCAL, and new hires. Almost to a person I find them pleasant and easy to get along with. We go fly our trip and have a good time, regardless of our background. Hopefully that is the norm going forward for all of us.
As I have said several times: to those pilots facing a bump, I truly hope you find a soft landing somewhere. If the momentum keeps going the way it has been recently, hopefully it won't be long before you are back in the seat and domicile you want to be in.
05-21-2015 | 04:05 PM
#82
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Probably THE best advice I've seen on APC with regards to bumps. When I ended up back in the right seat for a year after 9/11 I remember seeing things quite differently and learning a lot from the experience. Wish it hadn't happened, but I DO hope it made me a better Captain from then on. Good post.
05-21-2015 | 04:10 PM
#83
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Run Forrest RUN!!!
A base closure is different from a displacement. PERIOD end of story.
When they closed the 747 in ORD there were no more 747's in ORD. Pilots were no longer able to bid the 747 in ORD.
They are getting ready to close the 76T base in Denver too. There will not be anymore 757's or 767's based out of DEN. No pilot will be able to hold or bid a 757 in DEN. That will not be a displacement, it will be a base closure.
They are not closing the 737 base in IAH. There will still be 737's based in IAH. There will still be pilots who can bid the 737 in IAH. See the difference?
Do y'all need a picture drawn in crayon or is it perfectly clear now?
The 747 deal was a carve out as well. A displacement is a displacement. Why couldn't they be subject to the normal process as well? What makes them so special? Either you support both or support neither, unless you are a hypocrite.
When they closed the 747 in ORD there were no more 747's in ORD. Pilots were no longer able to bid the 747 in ORD.
They are getting ready to close the 76T base in Denver too. There will not be anymore 757's or 767's based out of DEN. No pilot will be able to hold or bid a 757 in DEN. That will not be a displacement, it will be a base closure.
They are not closing the 737 base in IAH. There will still be 737's based in IAH. There will still be pilots who can bid the 737 in IAH. See the difference?
Do y'all need a picture drawn in crayon or is it perfectly clear now?
05-21-2015 | 04:28 PM
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Well there IS a difference, whether you want to identify it or not. The ORD 747 situation was a base CLOSURE, not a bump. They are different things. If you don't believe so, talk to the #1 777 CAP in SEA. The bumps that followed have so far ALL been on the LUAL side. And you will notice that not ONE TIME did a LUAL pilot come on this board and suggest that the ORD 747 MOU should apply. The hypocrisy you reference would have been an appropriate label if folks had come on this board advocating for 24 months for the DEN and ORD bumps, but NOT for IAH. If you notice, this sounds VERY much like what is being touted by IAH right now.... 24 month grandfather rights ONLY sound like a good idea now that it's happening to them. You can't honestly think that if DEN or ORD council's had advocated for 24 month grandfather rights that Ben wouldn't have been up in arms! I didn't hear a PEEP from the LCAL folks about grandfather rights when it was just LUAL pilots being displaced. I'm truly surprised you can't see how that would be looked at as entitled.
I understand that you don't like Heppner. Fair enough. Every time Pierce or Salley open their mouth I want to vomit. I think it's just the nature of the beast.
I understand that you don't like Heppner. Fair enough. Every time Pierce or Salley open their mouth I want to vomit. I think it's just the nature of the beast.
How do you know Ben would have been up in arms if DEN came up with this resolution? Do you really believe every displaced LUAL just smiled and couldn't have cared less if his local council was advocating minimizing displacements on his behalf? Of course not. And btw most guys are not on this board anyway so the lack of their gripes on this board does not infer that they are 100% content with their situation.
Yes as union we are looking out for the greater good, but we also have large vested interest in things that greatly impact us individually, nothing at all wrong with that. Do you cry every time someone on the news dies? After all it is someone else's father, mother, daughter, etc. Of course not, unless it was someone close to you. Guys in IAH have different issues than guys in ORD, guys in ORD have different issues than LAX, and so on. Not really a valid argument to say nobody cares until it happens to them.
The good news is that on the line I fly with a nice mix of LUAL, LCAL, and new hires. Almost to a person I find them pleasant and easy to get along with. We go fly our trip and have a good time, regardless of our background. Hopefully that is the norm going forward for all of us.
As I have said several times: to those pilots facing a bump, I truly hope you find a soft landing somewhere. If the momentum keeps going the way it has been recently, hopefully it won't be long before you are back in the seat and domicile you want to be in.
As I have said several times: to those pilots facing a bump, I truly hope you find a soft landing somewhere. If the momentum keeps going the way it has been recently, hopefully it won't be long before you are back in the seat and domicile you want to be in.
05-21-2015 | 04:45 PM
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05-21-2015 | 04:59 PM
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From: 737 fo
Don't worry pal it won't get to me. Thanks though.
05-21-2015 | 05:10 PM
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Run Forrest RUN!!!
A base closure is different from a displacement. PERIOD end of story.
When they closed the 747 in ORD there were no more 747's in ORD. Pilots were no longer able to bid the 747 in ORD.
They are getting ready to close the 76T base in Denver too. There will not be anymore 757's or 767's based out of DEN. No pilot will be able to hold or bid a 757 in DEN. That will not be a displacement, it will be a base closure.
They are not closing the 737 base in IAH. There will still be 737's based in IAH. There will still be pilots who can bid the 737 in IAH. See the difference?
Do y'all need a picture drawn in crayon or is it perfectly clear now?
A base closure is different from a displacement. PERIOD end of story.
When they closed the 747 in ORD there were no more 747's in ORD. Pilots were no longer able to bid the 747 in ORD.
They are getting ready to close the 76T base in Denver too. There will not be anymore 757's or 767's based out of DEN. No pilot will be able to hold or bid a 757 in DEN. That will not be a displacement, it will be a base closure.
They are not closing the 737 base in IAH. There will still be 737's based in IAH. There will still be pilots who can bid the 737 in IAH. See the difference?
Do y'all need a picture drawn in crayon or is it perfectly clear now?
05-21-2015 | 05:17 PM
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From: 737 fo
Not the feedback I receive from the first officers I fly with. Of course, I don't solicit garbage either. What a stupid conversation to have. So many things to talk about us vs. them not being one of them.
Dear Lord,
With You and St. Christopher by my side, please protect me from the divisive dolts who (spread hate within our ranks and pardon those who cross the line both in fact and in kind.) May we embrace our new collective group as an undivided force against the powers of an obvious inept mgt team and stooges located in IAH who cannot see the reality of what a unified group can and will achieve. And for those that are displaced may they one day regain their positions when their seniority allows it.
Amen.
Dear Lord,
With You and St. Christopher by my side, please protect me from the divisive dolts who (spread hate within our ranks and pardon those who cross the line both in fact and in kind.) May we embrace our new collective group as an undivided force against the powers of an obvious inept mgt team and stooges located in IAH who cannot see the reality of what a unified group can and will achieve. And for those that are displaced may they one day regain their positions when their seniority allows it.
Amen.
Now, maybe you should ask rp2pilot why he and his F/O buddies are talking about the JR. IAH capts. (Since he brought it up) On what must be time off. Work, work, work.
05-21-2015 | 05:22 PM
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From: 737 fo
The 747 special deal was a carve out.
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