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05-22-2015 | 03:43 AM
#102
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What does the SLI have to do with this debate? Since you decided to bring it up, can you please explain how the LCAL proposal followed ALPA merger policy but the LUAL proposal did not?
05-22-2015 | 03:46 AM
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As I mentioned above, 24 month grandfather rights will ENCOURAGE more bumps in the future if passed. But I'm guessing C171 doesn't care as long as the bumps aren't in their domicile. Ladder up!
05-22-2015 | 05:06 AM
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Once again, you ignore the point.
The MOU came AFTER the company admitted they screwed up and never should have closed the ORD 747.
You can't equate that to PREEMPTIVELY protecting seats lost to a normal displacement.
If the company would come back later and say, "hey, we screwed up and never should have displaced".......then by all means, carve away.
You ignore the point to fit your "out to get us L-CAL pilots" conspiracy.
The MOU came AFTER the company admitted they screwed up and never should have closed the ORD 747.
You can't equate that to PREEMPTIVELY protecting seats lost to a normal displacement.
If the company would come back later and say, "hey, we screwed up and never should have displaced".......then by all means, carve away.
You ignore the point to fit your "out to get us L-CAL pilots" conspiracy.
05-22-2015 | 05:28 AM
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Once again, you ignore the point.
The MOU came AFTER the company admitted they screwed up and never should have closed the ORD 747.
You can't equate that to PREEMPTIVELY protecting seats lost to a normal displacement.
If the company would come back later and say, "hey, we screwed up and never should have displaced".......then by all means, carve away.
You ignore the point to fit your "out to get us L-CAL pilots" conspiracy.
The MOU came AFTER the company admitted they screwed up and never should have closed the ORD 747.
You can't equate that to PREEMPTIVELY protecting seats lost to a normal displacement.
If the company would come back later and say, "hey, we screwed up and never should have displaced".......then by all means, carve away.
You ignore the point to fit your "out to get us L-CAL pilots" conspiracy.
05-22-2015 | 07:33 AM
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So, with that said, what is the angle on the IAH deal from a union perspective. Posturing? Can it pass the MEC? Probably not, but it does make for good talking points. The reality is that the company is going to act like a business. If it is in their best interest to agree to what 171 (really, the MEC) has proposed, they will. Lots of gates to pass before this becomes something real.
Scott
05-22-2015 | 07:56 AM
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So first of all, the pilots weren't given anything. The company had to agree to it, meaning they had a choice. If anyone honestly thinks that the company is just throwing out handouts, then they haven't been paying attention. There was clearly a financial incentive to the outcome. There always is.
So, with that said, what is the angle on the IAH deal from a union perspective. Posturing? Can it pass the MEC? Probably not, but it does make for good talking points. The reality is that the company is going to act like a business. If it is in their best interest to agree to what 171 (really, the MEC) has proposed, they will. Lots of gates to pass before this becomes something real.
Scott
So, with that said, what is the angle on the IAH deal from a union perspective. Posturing? Can it pass the MEC? Probably not, but it does make for good talking points. The reality is that the company is going to act like a business. If it is in their best interest to agree to what 171 (really, the MEC) has proposed, they will. Lots of gates to pass before this becomes something real.
Scott
End of story.
05-22-2015 | 09:37 AM
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From: 737 fo
So first of all, the pilots weren't given anything. The company had to agree to it, meaning they had a choice. If anyone honestly thinks that the company is just throwing out handouts, then they haven't been paying attention. There was clearly a financial incentive to the outcome. There always is.
So, with that said, what is the angle on the IAH deal from a union perspective. Posturing? Can it pass the MEC? Probably not, but it does make for good talking points. The reality is that the company is going to act like a business. If it is in their best interest to agree to what 171 (really, the MEC) has proposed, they will. Lots of gates to pass before this becomes something real.
Scott
So, with that said, what is the angle on the IAH deal from a union perspective. Posturing? Can it pass the MEC? Probably not, but it does make for good talking points. The reality is that the company is going to act like a business. If it is in their best interest to agree to what 171 (really, the MEC) has proposed, they will. Lots of gates to pass before this becomes something real.
Scott
I do not really care if this passes or not. I just find it quite hypocritical.
05-22-2015 | 10:00 AM
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Doesn't matter. The 3 independent non-ALPA arbitrators who were picked by each sides representatives all UNANIMOUSLY decided that the LCAL proposal was neither fair nor equitable.
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05-23-2015 | 12:18 AM
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Everybody understood that it made sense in this HIGHLY unusual occurrence. When has ANY company reopened a fleet in a base a year after closing it?
Never mind the fact they lost a HUGE amount of high value customers to Cathay in the process. They irreparably damaged a large amount of UA's revenue stream and realized it,but only after the damage was done.
Punative closure anyone?
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