You can thank Mitch (LCAL) for dragging it back up. As usual.

You're a conspiracy theorist. That much is clear. The funny thing about conspiracy theorists is that they are CERTAIN they are right, even if the argument is completely irrational. PRESENT ALPA merger policy was followed in the SLI. Period. Dot. Ironically, the part that many of your cohorts don't like is that longevity is a factor. Now you're arguing against your own pilots. I wish longevity were the only factor in the SLI. I would have done MUCH better. It's been pointed out that the updated merger policy was decided with a CAL guy on the committee. NO UAL guys. Sorry. I'm not sure what bringing the Pan Am Merger policy does, but it's a strange tactic. We are talking about 2010.

I ask again, since no one will answer. Which proposal do you think more closely resembles ALPA merger policy? CAL or UAL? It's not even a discussion

 

Not only that, but one of UAL ALPA's greatest fears was a merger with US Airways---both in 2001 and 2010. Given that particular threat, the last thing UAL ALPA would have wanted is a merger policy that was based primarily on longevity.

It's pretty amazing that baseball is able to gather selective facts from differing points on the timeline and yet coalesce them into a narrative that just happens to match his perceptions, no?

 

That's actually incorrect. I know of two BoD members who were discussing it just from a route over-lap perspective. The side-bar about NWA was a temporary distraction. The CAL MEC spun up on full alert not once but twice due to a likely DAL transaction that we were told was about 11 hours from happening, but was subsequently scrapped. Most "players" and "betters" assumed it would be DAL.

I fully agree a transaction was in the works between UAL and USAir, but as I recall the federal government said no to that. Quite amazingly, the same reasons the government said no to that deal were the same reasons the government said yes to the new UAL/CAL deal. Just had to give some gates away to SWA at EWR. That was also at a time where both airlines were looking for a life boat to rescue them. Both assumed they would be good for each other, but neither thought the government would say no. Sort of like getting asked to the prom, but your dad says no you can't take the car.

Pre-911 and slightly post 9-11 it looked like either DAL or UAL to those that had good intel. Otherwise, in 2000, the IACP had no incentive to merge with ALPA. The IACP liked the way that SWA and APA were doing business on their own, and to a large degree was very successful in getting our first contract, getting out from under the PEP, and pushing through the scab love fest created by the breaking of the union (ALPA) during the strike. it wasn't perfect, but it was on a good path.

Listen, I am still PO'd about PBS, and how it was sold to us, so there's just some stuff I am not going to forget. I don't bring it with me when I go to work, but after 25 years of the constant lies from both management and ALPA I prefer to just listen and nod. I know it's all lies now. 20 years ago, I bought it hook like and sinker.

I still maintain that neither employee group had much of a vote in this, but I fully know that ALPA and ALPA's merger and fragmentation policy made it possible.

 

The "award" process is still ongoing. The ruling, since you seem to have forgotten, was that you were awarded profit sharing inappropriately. The remedy available to the LUAL pilots was to have the LCAL pilots return their profit sharing to the company. Heppner and the LUAL MEC decided that in the spirit of unity, you should keep it. I don't care what kind of "me too" you got for your fellow co-workers. You weren't entitled to it as determined by an arbitrator, and you got it anyway. I'm glad for you. You keep suggesting that ALPA is out to "screw you" but you fail to acknowledge the things you have gotten thanks to ALPA, and in this case the good will of the LUAL MEC.

 

Just about as amazing as the guy who is outside of the glass looking in. the same guy looking to break the glass because ALPA treated him so unfairly and won't let him use 100 percent of his Arbitrator given seniority.

right.

Your reality is based on your perceptions. It's your combined experiences both good and bad that color your view of the world. That's why there are liberals and conservatives.

Here's another way to look at this. I know lots of people who didn't want to interview with United in that golden 1997/98 time frame we are talking about right now. "The 1400" is roughly those folks that we are sort of discussing here in this dredged up debauchery. Folks didn't want to go there for different reasons. One is their culture there and another was all the lawsuits and forced hiring of minorities and women. So, for whatever reason, and folks had them, some decided to go to Continental simply because of the age demographics of the airline. Guys were upgrading in 2.5 years there. That's regional Captain upgrade time. We had G number dudes upgrading in nothing flat if you wanted the 737 CA seat in EWR. So, the growth potential of the airline was huge. The upside of going CAL and the long term career benefits made it very appealing. Ordinarily the career would average out to about 9 million dollars in standard earnings with a 15 year upgrade time. These dudes were able to up that to 14 to 17 million dollars by upgrading so fast, that's in 2002 dollars. That' pretty serious money in terms of both dollars and career expectations. No way anyone of those 1400 furloughed UAL guys had those sort of expectations. They were just trying to get out of Home Depot and put up their orange vest.

Understanding ones perceptions is an important concept to try and get. If you don't get it, then you really don't care about unity. I do get the other sides point of view. I am just tired of hearing about it every god damn day.

 

I'll tell you what. I will gladly send you the three grand I received in profit sharing if the MEC will undo the BAT scam they imposed on the LCAL pilots. I've lost a whole lot more than the profit sharing as a result of the MEC coming up with a this unpresidented way to grab seats. Kinda like the guys who moved into unearned seats about thirty years ago.

 

No, I don't suggest that at all. ALPA does what it wants, when it wants. It's all about the association. That's why we have such a good track record on this whole regional mess.

I think UAL MEC is out for the UAL legacy pilots. How the UAL MEC does that is up to the UAL MEC. Lets hear it for the good will of the LUAL MEC.

Just so good to know and be reminded of who the master really is. I guess you can change by callsign from baseball to Kunta-Kintea. Thank You Mas'r.

 

Well you see there Chicken-George, that's just the Good ole kindness and goodness and generosity of the L UAL MEC taking care of you. Make sure you thank the master each and every night for his kindness and good will.

 

This thread is the ultimate "...." show. What a clown act this has degraded to.

My sim partner is L-UAL and I'm L-CAL and guess what (drum roll)....we get along great. Not a peep about the garbage this thread has incessantly gone over. We manage to chat about sports and life...like what most human beings that are cordial chat about.

Getting bumped, you want your profit sharing that I personally "stole" from you? PM me your address and I'll shoot you a check. Or does PayPal work better?

 

You can think your boy Mitch for bringing the whole ***show back up again. I too get along great with my LCAL FO's. To a person, they've been fantastic. But like baseball, I'm not going to let some wild and crazy accusations go unanswered. You didn't read carefully what I said about profit sharing. I said I'm GLAD you got it. And hopefully when the award comes out we will get more too. More money in the pilots pockets is a GOOD thing, regardless of which side got it.