Probe

Baseball.
Thanks for the honesty of your previous posts, and other lCAL posters.

We all need to move on. While part of the SLI was no bump/no flush, manpower planning is so screwed up at the combined company that it is probably going to happen anyway.

I am sorry for the disrupted lives.

But one of my favorite quotes is

"The only difference between an adventure and an ordeal, is attitude".

Getting bumped? How can you make this make your family, you, and your career better.

100% of my flying partners in the last month have had this same view. They are looking at the upcoming manpower screwups as a new chapter for them and their families.

The whiners here, not so much.

gettinbumped

This sums it up for me. First you say "no one on the LCAL list post 1996 ever spent a day on furlough." It's pointed out to you that you're wrong. Then it's no one post 1996 ever spent a day on furlough..... except....

As to the Koolaid comment, I've come to realize that your ego is incapable of admitting when you're wrong, even when it's pointed out to you by multiple people. I'm sure the 1998 furloughees from CAL appreciate you trivializing their time spent without a paycheck. It's UNBELIEVABLE to me that you are bragging about your record level of SRM while you had pilots on the street. But that's obviously who you are. This was fun for a few days but I'm bored of it/you now.

Back to the original topic before I sign off. I hope the bumps never happen, but if they do, best of luck to the IAH pilots effected and I hope for a soft landing. Sincerely. More immediately I hope all IAH employees stay safe in the wake of the devastating floods being endured.

gettinbumped

Probe,

Thanks for your concern. I don't let any of the forum conversations affect my life. I go fly my trips and generally have a really good time whether it's with LCAL or LUAL crews. The merger is never really discussed.

I do REALLY wish you hadn't thanked Baseball for anything on a post where you talks about record SRM events while there were LCAL pilots on the street. I have always found that a morally reprehensible action. Just my opinion after flying with LOTS of FO's who were being furloughed in the near future.

pilotgolfer

Not to nit-pick...but I believe he said Junior Manning as opposed to SRM. Under their contract, I think it was mandatory...not optional. Now why he would answer his phone...completely different story. I was scratching my head over how he got tagged 9 times. Either he's not too bright...or he wanted it.

baseball

I said it once and I will say it again. I thought we were specifically discussing the time frame of the 1400 L UAL furloughees who were still out of a job when the merger was announced and completed at CAL/UAL. So, if you want to maintain that, that's fine. But, every single furloughee who ever was furloughed at L CAL was recalled and fully gainfully employed. You do get that right. you do get that 1400 pilots who had no job, many of whom jumped in front of people who were employed.

Re-focus on that for a minute. The above point is 100 percent correct right?

Were there previous furloughs at L CAL? Yes. And those two furloughs were limited and all back to work. In some cases they were back to work ten years.

Were all furloughees from CAL, regardless of time frame back on property and gainfully employed by CAL? Yes.

Were the 147 Hostages back to work? Yes

Were the DC10 and B727 Engineer Elimination reduction bids all done yes?

I understood the conversation to be focused on the 1400 L UAL pilots looking through the glass on the outside and looking in. That much is very clear from the person who started this. So, how is it possible that these 1400 people can be so disenfranchised to jump in front of pilots who were never furloughed. And, by the way, I am one of those pilots who were never furloughed, so I can speak with a certain degree of authority on the subject. So, if any of these 1400 pilots jumped in front of me (and many did), then I too was affected by the ALPA tool box. You calling me a liar? I know I wasn't furloughed, and I know my position on the seniority list. So, stuff it.

baseball

Was threatened to fly or have the days of non-availability deducted from my paycheck. This was a common occurrence. ALPA said it was legal for company to do. ACP Hugh Dean, CP Gary Small, CP Andy Jost, ACP LLoyd Robeson, ACP Tom Pinardo, ACP Kip Komidor all routinely threatened pilots, and ALPA just stood by and watched.

baseball

It's actually unbelievable to me that you don't know the LCAL contract well enough to understand the concept of JUNIOR MANNING and not Senior Manning. Huge difference Einstein. Called in sick for sixty hours that summer too, but hey that's obviously who you are right. Just another know it all who doesn't know diddley.

baseball

An ACP meets you at the gate when you get in from your trip and you get tagged on the jetbridge. They know you won't answer the phone, so they send flight office staff to your gate to get you. It was common practice.

SpecialTracking

@baseball, The short answer is because longevity means something and alpa merger policy was changed to reflect that. If their name was slated to be furloughed they received zero credit for fleet/seat because they had none.

It's unfortunate that some continue to hold onto the furloughed equates to being stapled argument.

gettinbumped

Missed the JRM, vs SRM. My apologies to you for not reading more carefully