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Old 06-18-2015 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by AllenAllert
I don't know your Staller but if he's one that won't standby and listen to a fellow employee attack other employee groups without justification then I'm on his side. You expect to be respected and yet you don't extend the same courtesy. Where do they get you guys?
From a bottom bankrupted airline that gave jobs to anyone that applied from 2005-2008 so we could be easily integrated into scab culture. But you already knew that Staller.
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Old 06-18-2015 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by AllenAllert
I don't know your Staller but if he's one that won't standby and listen to a fellow employee attack other employee groups without justification then I'm on his side. You expect to be respected and yet you don't extend the same courtesy. Where do they get you guys?
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Old 06-18-2015 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Probe
Hi Staller. Welcome back.
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I had an LCA that was a Tracey Ace back in 96 on the 757. Absolutely scary.
This thread drift is perfect for you. I had a chance to talk with a neighbor that happened to be a Tract Ace and he's very proud of it. Great guy from work and personally. His response to your claim a Tracy Ace was slumming as a 757 LCA was very unlikely in 1996 considering how retirement pay was calculated. The few that were still working were likely on the high paying airplanes. Attacking a group for what you perceive as personal gain is on par with blaming Flight Attendants for the failure of PS Service.

If you want me to be your Staller have at it. I did a little thread reading and you seem to be all over charts of truth and trust worthiness. That is "Absolutely scary" for any United pilot.
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Old 06-19-2015 | 04:33 PM
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What is a Tracy ace?
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Old 06-19-2015 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Contrail06
What is a Tracy ace?
Waaaay, way, way back in the day, UAL operated it's own pilot school in Tracy, CA.

The "Ace" part was sarcasm from "experienced" (cough) pilots of the period but the "Aces" almost universally retired as wide body Captains.

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Old 06-19-2015 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Contrail06
What is a Tracy ace?
http://m.goldenstatenewspapers.com/tracy_press/our_town/aces-trained-in-tracy-s-friendly-skies/article_cc8e0a1a-f878-59d4-a52b-7ec746100c61.html?mode=jqm
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Old 06-19-2015 | 06:40 PM
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In short, UAL had their own school out in Tracy CA. If I remember, DC-3's, Convairs, 247's. No I'm not that old. My dad was UAL too, but not an Ace. Did not speak well of them.

They would pay you to get a private, multi, instrument, and then give you a job. That was a pilot shortage.

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Old 06-20-2015 | 04:37 AM
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British Airways is doing this type of training right now...
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Old 06-20-2015 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ugleeual
British Airways is doing this type of training right now...
Most airlines around the world do training like that now. The standard for a new hire FO at most airlines worldwide is 250 hours. The next most common is the Multi Crew Pilot license where they have half of that. I did a sim with another Captain that started with the MCPL. He was absolutely outstanding.

The better cadet programs like BA, Luftansa, and the Japanese airlines turn out a pretty decent product. It is very competitive to get in, and very demanding.

The Tracey's Aces? Maybe not so much. FAA training was not designed to build a 250 hour 737 FO. It was designed to build a flight instructor or charter pilot.

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