Probe

In a perfect airline management world, the company could have assigned the excess pilots that are being displaced into the new vacancies. Unfortunately they cannot.

Then DEN 76T base closing, according to Howie, will involve a few quick secondary and tertiary bumps. All the pilots that bumped to the 320 and 737 in DEN (Already overstaffed) will trigger new bumps until they get the number they want in DEN. The next bump, Captains will bump to DEN FO positions, and the final one, the FO's will get bumped out of DEN.

The pilots getting bumped get to choose where THEY want to go, not where the company needs them. The company needs about the same, or slightly fewer narrow body Capts than they have right now.

Fixing it is a bit of a mess, and time consuming. Worse, they will change their plan before the current situation is fixed.

But the current vacancies for narrow body captains is not Captain growth, just changing where the company wants the current pilots to be when all is said and done. Until they change their minds.

griego

So the announcement said 10 SFO 737 FOs and 30 LAX 737 FOs. But the snapshot tonight shows 15 awards with 21 unfilled (36) in SFO and 20 awards with 25 unfilled (45) in LAX.

I'm new here, does this mean they will award up to 45 to lax instead of 30? Or am I missing something?

Thanks

89Pistons

It's higher because the unfilled number includes the amount needed for backfills due to some people bidding out (if the bid closed today).

Grumble

What he said ^^^^

Simple math, assume 10 LAX and 10 SFO vacancies on type X airplane. If all 10 LAX awards come out of SFO... now you have the 10 original vacancies, plus you need to replace the 10 new empty seats that just went to LAX, for a total of 20.

Multiply this across all domiciles and fleets, it gets pretty interesting.

jsled

I believe there will be more bumps in DEN, but very few DEN 737/BUS Captains will bump into DEN FO (my opinion). They will bump to Captain elsewhere. This will mean that very few, IF ANY, DEN FOs will be bumped at all. So you have what....40ish FOs that recently became Captains thru displacement, plus 240 new Captain vacancies....minus however many IAH Captains bump to FO (majority will bump to Captain elsewhere). Still positive math. Captain growth. And look how junior the Captain bids went on the snapshot.....holy sheet! It's like 2000 all over again....only this time I hope it doesn't end in 2172 furloughs.

JMO,

Sled

Probe

I can't disagree more. I would bet close to 100% of displaced DEN Capts will bump to DEN FO's. The voluntaries have already bumped to something else. Every lUAL pilot currently based in DEN gave up money/seniority to drive to work. I doubt many will change their election.

Zero planned NB increase, but probably an increase in NB captains until they bump them out of place.

jsled

We shall see. I for one will not bump to DEN NB Fo. And I'll wager most, like me, will not either.

Probe

We will see. For the past 14 years, you have. You are 6000-7000? You want to bid narrow body Capt? OK. U get 12-14 days off, and get to commute to DEN. You get 9-11 days off, at home.

I would bet almost all of you will stay in DEN if possible, and hope to be a PI at TK.

Feel free to call me wrong in a month or so. I will buy the beer,

At the end of the day, I hope it works out good for all of you. Whatever you choose.

89Pistons

Very few DEN Captains would bump into the Guppy right seat.

Airhoss

Yo Sled......

Should we clue him in?