Munoz' Only Chance
10-15-2015, 06:57 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by UALinIAH
Right now the company must get ALPA approval before adding new ULH routes. LOA 22.
1. Prior to submitting an FRMS application to the FAA for approval, the Company will obtain ALPA’s consent. Such consent will not be unreasonably withheld and, if withheld, will be based solely on the merits of the FRMS application. ALPA’s reason(s) for withholding consent shall be provided to the Company in writing. However, ALPA may withhold its consent for any reason if the FRMS either seeks to raise any part of FAR 117 Table B above fourteen (14) hours or would require a change to the Agreement to be implemented.
1. Prior to submitting an FRMS application to the FAA for approval, the Company will obtain ALPA’s consent. Such consent will not be unreasonably withheld and, if withheld, will be based solely on the merits of the FRMS application. ALPA’s reason(s) for withholding consent shall be provided to the Company in writing. However, ALPA may withhold its consent for any reason if the FRMS either seeks to raise any part of FAR 117 Table B above fourteen (14) hours or would require a change to the Agreement to be implemented.
10-16-2015, 02:37 AM
#22
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Guys, remember something. The company already has relief for the FRMS "problem" available in the current upa. They just decided, unilaterally of course, to stop paying us to extend the duty day! Same goes for the 100 seaters. They can add them anytime they want! No need to amend/extend anything, maybe try following the contract they have in place! So that's 2 of the 5 right there... What do they really want?
10-16-2015, 06:00 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by Thor
You guys are dreamers. Oscar said he needed 90 days to visit around the system and get a clue about how to run United. His start date, September 8th, + 90 days is December 7th. The contract extension deadline is November 20th, so, the new boss won't have even completed his initial uptake by then.
The cynic in me says this is a last ditch effort by flight ops management to patch past mismanagement before they have to explain to the new boss why United can't fly to Aukland or Tel Aviv. I'd be shocked if Oscar was involved in, or even aware of, current pilot negotiations.
The cynic in me says this is a last ditch effort by flight ops management to patch past mismanagement before they have to explain to the new boss why United can't fly to Aukland or Tel Aviv. I'd be shocked if Oscar was involved in, or even aware of, current pilot negotiations.
10-16-2015, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Thor
You know this to be true, or does it make you feel optimistic to think it? Regarding FA profit sharing, how does it feel to have your negotiated share diluted because the new boss wants to sing Kumbaya?
After all this is called "sharing". If this move helps AFA get on the same page so they can get to a contract, good for them. I guess all the bravado of wanting to have the entire company pulling on the same rope was really a hollow gesture.
10-16-2015, 07:24 AM
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The profit share progam is pre diluted anyway. It isn't equally divided among participating groups. The share is derived by taking the monies and dividing among each non excluded management group. Each emploee group covered by collective barganing agreements not included in ps will have thier share set aside, and it will be given back to the company. In other words if it isnt in your contract the company uses it to pay your salary.
The fa ps inclusion is very reminiscent of another group that had profit sharing given to them. The bottom of the announcement says lua fa's are seeking to resolve some disagreements to the fa benefit. Is this to stop a lawsuit or grevance?
The fa ps inclusion is very reminiscent of another group that had profit sharing given to them. The bottom of the announcement says lua fa's are seeking to resolve some disagreements to the fa benefit. Is this to stop a lawsuit or grevance?
10-16-2015, 08:31 AM
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Well, there ya go
United Daily
Labor summit to be rescheduled
Posted October 15, 2015
Unfortunately, we had to reschedule the labor summit today. The primary purpose of the summit was to engage our labor leaders in an open, face-to-face dialogue. With President and CEO Oscar Munoz unable to attend, we decided to reschedule as soon as possible.
This dialogue is extremely important to the company and Oscar as we continue to move forward in our discussions with all of our employee groups to make United the best airline for our employees and customers.
Labor summit to be rescheduled
Posted October 15, 2015
Unfortunately, we had to reschedule the labor summit today. The primary purpose of the summit was to engage our labor leaders in an open, face-to-face dialogue. With President and CEO Oscar Munoz unable to attend, we decided to reschedule as soon as possible.
This dialogue is extremely important to the company and Oscar as we continue to move forward in our discussions with all of our employee groups to make United the best airline for our employees and customers.
10-16-2015, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by APC225
United Daily
Labor summit to be rescheduled
Posted October 15, 2015
Unfortunately, we had to reschedule the labor summit today. The primary purpose of the summit was to engage our labor leaders in an open, face-to-face dialogue. With President and CEO Oscar Munoz unable to attend, we decided to reschedule as soon as possible.
This dialogue is extremely important to the company and Oscar as we continue to move forward in our discussions with all of our employee groups to make United the best airline for our employees and customers.
Labor summit to be rescheduled
Posted October 15, 2015
Unfortunately, we had to reschedule the labor summit today. The primary purpose of the summit was to engage our labor leaders in an open, face-to-face dialogue. With President and CEO Oscar Munoz unable to attend, we decided to reschedule as soon as possible.
This dialogue is extremely important to the company and Oscar as we continue to move forward in our discussions with all of our employee groups to make United the best airline for our employees and customers.
10-16-2015, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by blockplus
The profit share progam is pre diluted anyway. It isn't equally divided among participating groups. The share is derived by taking the monies and dividing among each non excluded management group. Each emploee group covered by collective barganing agreements not included in ps will have thier share set aside, and it will be given back to the company. In other words if it isnt in your contract the company uses it to pay your salary.
The fa ps inclusion is very reminiscent of another group that had profit sharing given to them. The bottom of the announcement says lua fa's are seeking to resolve some disagreements to the fa benefit. Is this to stop a lawsuit or grevance?
The fa ps inclusion is very reminiscent of another group that had profit sharing given to them. The bottom of the announcement says lua fa's are seeking to resolve some disagreements to the fa benefit. Is this to stop a lawsuit or grevance?
We grieved it and won…so no, it's not "pre diluted".
And no, they should not get profit sharing if it's not in their contract.
We can't just have special groups given more than what they negotiated while leaving out the other "co-workers".
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