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12-03-2015 | 06:56 AM

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jsled

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Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer

And don't forget the 2 hour extension. For domestic you could be looking at 18 hour day legally if you waive.

I'm not sure that's true either. The 2 hour extension is available to table B and C limits. I don't see where it is applicable to the 16 hour RAP restriction (the lesser of table B plus 4 hours or 16 hours). In any case, if you waive, that's on you.

12-03-2015 | 07:18 AM

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Mootang

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That is also completely wrong. Short call has its own special place in part 117, and you cannot legally duty more than 16 hours.

12-03-2015 | 07:23 AM

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Mootang

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There is a 117 PowerPoint briefing on Alpa's website. It's very useful - especially for understanding reserve as it pertains to our contract.

12-03-2015 | 07:25 AM

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jsled

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Originally Posted by Mootang

That is also completely wrong. Short call has its own special place in part 117, and you cannot legally duty more than 16 hours.

Is that not what I said?

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I don't see where it is applicable to the 16 hour RAP restriction

Besides, you should caveat your statement with "in non-augmented operations". You can legally duty more than 16 hours in augmented ops, making your blanket statement also wrong. At least that's the way I read it.

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12-03-2015 | 07:25 AM

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UALinIAH

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Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer

And don't forget the 2 hour extension. For domestic you could be looking at 18 hour day legally if you waive.

Why would anyone waive?

12-03-2015 | 07:55 AM

#16

Mootang

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Easy there sled. You responded while I was composing my response. I agree with you.

12-03-2015 | 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DG1000

I'm painfully aware of that. That's why I want more new-hires below me so I can get off reserve!

Ohhhhh. Hahahahha! I get it now! Hang in there. Things are moving quicker than they have since the '90's. Fingers crossed it keeps going!

12-03-2015 | 08:08 AM

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Firsttimeflyer

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I would not advocate waiving. but just to be clear, a reserve, unaugmented, given the right circumstances, can have a combined RAP +FDP that equal 16 hours, that is allowed to have an extension of up to 2 hours for a max total day of 18 hours.

It has been mentioned in ALPA emails, the other forum, and I found an FAA letter linked below that clearly states extensions to an RAP+FDP are subject to an extension of up to 2 hours.
Again, I don't advocate extending, just sharing some knowledge a lot of folks don't know about.

http://www3.alpa.org/portals/alpa/co...ExpressJet.pdf

And one more letter confirming this:

http://www3.alpa.org/portals/alpa/co...s-Anderson.pdf