FAA: On Call = On Duty
12-04-2015 | 09:54 AM
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The bold statement above is absolutely false. In fact, it's just silly. Your SC RAP starts as determined by Crew Scheduling. UAL has never started your duty day at assigned trip report time for short calls. In fact, before FAR 117 and our new contract, the domestic limit was 14 hours from the beginning of the RAP, waivable of course.
My general point is that MOST of the time on reserve is NOT considered as DUTY time only available (RAP) time. For example; one can finish a 14-hour short call window (or trip for that matter) and immediately go back on long call. No rest period assigned.
The popular "beer time" rule can happen at United. A month of never used long call could result in never being allowed to have a beer except on days off, or just before one. A 13 hour to departure call-out for a global trip doesn't allow 12 hours bottle to throttle.
12-04-2015 | 10:16 AM
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They changed the rule to be 8 hours. (FOM 1.90.3,4)
However, they didn't change the old language that says no alcohol while on "reserve status." This is a holdover from years ago when all reserve was the equivalent to today's Short Call. I am of the opinion that Long Call reserves would be allowed to drink, while Short Calls are not.
12-04-2015 | 10:18 AM
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However, it does prohibit the use of alcohol when on reserve status so that rules out when on long-call regardless of the call-out time.
12-04-2015 | 11:00 AM
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So can the example given in the "Anderson" letter in the post above only happen at United if the pilot agrees to extend by 2 hrs?
The FAA clearly says duty of 18hrs is legal.
Seems like it would be a common situation, you are called out to do some flying and there is a delay during the trip.
The FAA clearly says duty of 18hrs is legal.
Seems like it would be a common situation, you are called out to do some flying and there is a delay during the trip.
12-04-2015 | 01:51 PM
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As my handle would suggest I have spent some time on reserve and at my last gig worked on reserve rules. They can definitely work you 18 hours on reserve, although it requires pilot concurrence. I have no idea on UPA wording about extensions etc.
12-04-2015 | 02:24 PM
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Unless it was extremely benefitial to me or my FO, I can't imagine volunteering for squat on reserve lol.
12-04-2015 | 10:30 PM
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Duty means any task that a flightcrew member performs as required by the certificate holder
No rest period is required because you aren't performing a FDP and long call also requires at least 10 hours of rest before performing any FDP. You could do office work for 1000 straight hours, but until you go on prospective rest and receive at least 30 hours of rest in the previous 168 hours, you won't be performing any FDP.
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