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Old 12-23-2015 | 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by baseball
This is called "wages re-distribution." It's not wealth re-distribution, it's your actual wages, that you earn today and cannot spend on your kids college bills or your family's needs. However, the liberals will attack wealth accumulation and call it a social security tax....More to follow....

Your income is now being given to those are not not paying their way in order to subsidize their costs. In this case it's their costs for health insurance. They in turn, will use this savings to pay their bills. I believe even at most liberal colleges they still call this socialism.

Elect more democrats and we will socialize more than just health-care. I would look for anyone who is in the upper brackets to be attacked by more liberals in the next election cycles. They will go after your retirements in one way or another to pay for social security. Liberals will want to save social security and pass a new "tax" on the upper 30 percent of income earners in order to save it. Not only will the higher income earners lose social security, but we will pay a new tax to save it for the lower earners.

The democrat party is no longer the working mans party. It's the special interest party. It was a special interest that attacked our healthcare model. It's the special interests that see our number one threat as carbon emissions (and not ISIS). It's the special interests that facilitate killing babies while at the same time promote saving trees. It's all a moral trade off in their minds. They won't mind coming after what we've earned and paid for with our negotiating capital in order to save their programs or pay for their special interest group's sacred cows.
Right on point. The hand is always out. They want something for nothing...at least someone else can pay for it.

Short story...
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Old 12-23-2015 | 05:51 AM
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Your hand is out cause you can't find the gym or put down the bacon. Cost is going up because the boomers are fat pigs. Nice try though saying your welfare cause you can't take care of your health better is more important than the welfare paid to others. That mirror stings, better go blame someone else.
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Old 12-23-2015 | 07:15 AM
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Your hand is out cause you can't find the gym or put down the bacon. Cost is going up because the boomers are fat pigs. Nice try though saying your welfare cause you can't take care of your health better is more important than the welfare paid to others. That mirror stings, better go blame someone else.
My wife was at a doctor appointment a few months ago while I waited in the lobby. As I waited, a very large couple in their 40s went storming out of the office. They angrily told the receptionist they would be looking for a new doctor. Neither one of them walked well, especially the wife.

It turns out that my wife was waiting in an adjacent room and could overhear the conversation the doctor had with this couple, which became quite animated. The wife, who was nearly 300 pounds, had pain in the hips and knees. She and her husband were both pushing for a surgical solution. In doing so, they were complaining about the out of pocket costs of their Obamacare insurance. The doctor was trying to steer her away from surgery saying that the weight had to come off. Otherwise, the surgery was pointless in the long run. The couple was highly offended by this, and therefore went storming out of the office in search of another doctor. I'm sure they eventually found one that told them what they wanted to hear.
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Old 12-23-2015 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA
Welcome to the Obamacare world.

My supplemental took a big jump. My premium is now helping to fund required insurance products for people who never had or couldn't afford...never mind.
Do you every go outside the cave? Obamacare has no direct or indirect impact on you over 65 retired people.

Medicare is paid by all people on Social Security and over 65. When you speak of supplemental insurance, there are many choices to be made depending on your perceived need and ability to pay. It sounds like you're staying with the United policy that brings you up to the protection of the active employee. If anything, it is the active employees subsidizing you a retiree.

You really need to talk to other retirees or maybe a R&I guy that will give you the time. There is a wealth of knowledge/experiences to be had you just need to ask the right people. How far past 65 are you?
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Old 12-23-2015 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by jsled
you are not wrong. Look at the Extension LOA redlined v the UPA document for wording changes to FRMS. Not really concessionary, in fact in some areas improved. The automatic lookback pay for extensions is a vast improvement to current book.
I am having a hard time understanding the "catch." Why did they do this? I feel like a battered woman that finally met a nice man and burnt her first dinner. Your ducking for the inevitable slap that isn't coming. Where am I wrong? Someone explain what was their motivation? Known costs for something coming down the road? Obtaining financing? Wanting to know fixed costs for a longer time frame? Just confused, sorry...
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Old 12-23-2015 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ;2033096
Your hand is out cause you can't find the gym or put down the bacon. Cost is going up because the boomers are fat pigs. Nice try though saying your welfare cause you can't take care of your health better is more important than the welfare paid to others. That mirror stings, better go blame someone else.
LMAO! Assume/generalize much?

I'll throw some of that back at you:

I'm a 56 y/o, 6' 2"/ 205 pound "boomer" in better shape than a lot of guys half my age, and could kick your scrawny, effeminate, skinny jeans-wearing hipster a$$ over to the next county. Not that I'd waste the time and effort on a lazy, entitled "Millennial" typing on the keyboard in his mommy's basement.

See how that works?

Oh BTW, I fried up a skillet full of bacon this very morning. Yummy!!
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Old 12-23-2015 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by baseball
This is called "wages re-distribution." It's not wealth re-distribution, it's your actual wages, that you earn today and cannot spend on your kids college bills or your family's needs. However, the liberals will attack wealth accumulation and call it a social security tax....More to follow....

Your income is now being given to those are not not paying their way in order to subsidize their costs. In this case it's their costs for health insurance. They in turn, will use this savings to pay their bills. I believe even at most liberal colleges they still call this socialism.

Elect more democrats and we will socialize more than just health-care. I would look for anyone who is in the upper brackets to be attacked by more liberals in the next election cycles. They will go after your retirements in one way or another to pay for social security. Liberals will want to save social security and pass a new "tax" on the upper 30 percent of income earners in order to save it. Not only will the higher income earners lose social security, but we will pay a new tax to save it for the lower earners.

The democrat party is no longer the working mans party. It's the special interest party. It was a special interest that attacked our healthcare model. It's the special interests that see our number one threat as carbon emissions (and not ISIS). It's the special interests that facilitate killing babies while at the same time promote saving trees. It's all a moral trade off in their minds. They won't mind coming after what we've earned and paid for with our negotiating capital in order to save their programs or pay for their special interest group's sacred cows.
Do you think of yourself as capitalist, wealth creator, businessman, etc? You are a pilot, a union member, just another number in corporate book, an individual that serves a specific purpose, and soon to be replaced by more powerful autonomous computers, and then you'll ask for help. It's easy to criticize when you enjoy liberal ideas as Union protection and contracts, easy to criticize when US DOD paid for you flight training and pays your "government entitlement" - pension from USAF.
Why are pilots liberal when it comes to protecting their interest and run to unions, but criticize others for doing the same.
You want to be true republican, give up your pension from DOD, vote unions down and upgrade and get paid based on merit, kiss @$$, networking, buddy system, just like any other corporate employees. Or better start your own airlines and shows us how it's done the republican way. Join none union airlines like JB, VA, oh wait, they... Oh no! The Liberals are taking over! I suggest you stock more of none perishable goods, guns and ammunition in your bunker, because there is no hope ;-)
The f....ing liberals ruined the economy, stocks are at the highest they have ever been, the fuel is at $30 a barrel, real estates is up to 2006 prices, car dealers are selling cars above MSRP, the interest rates are going up, people getting jobs, spending money on iPads, TVs, houses, shopping malls are full of shoppers!!
Damned liberals! It was so good in 2008, when republican were running the country! You were able to by home for a price of VCR, turn you old junk and get new BMW for 0%, gas was at $4 per gallon, empty shopping malls- no crouds like today, your 401K account had opportunity for growth and your contributions didn't make a dent! It was so good, all those deregulations introduced in 2000-2007 made opportunities for wealth growth in energy sector like Enron, housing market and loans,! It was a true renaissance in republican American business.
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Old 12-23-2015 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by AllenAllert
Do you every go outside the cave? Obamacare has no direct or indirect impact on you over 65 retired people.

Medicare is paid by all people on Social Security and over 65. When you speak of supplemental insurance, there are many choices to be made depending on your perceived need and ability to pay. It sounds like you're staying with the United policy that brings you up to the protection of the active employee. If anything, it is the active employees subsidizing you a retiree.

You really need to talk to other retirees or maybe a R&I guy that will give you the time. There is a wealth of knowledge/experiences to be had you just need to ask the right people. How far past 65 are you?
Supplementals are group products and open market, paid by the individual in addition to medicare. You bet your sweet, ignorant a** Obamacare affects the price of the existing premium...those insurance companies are now required federally to make a market for high risk individuals and families. You are truly an idiot.
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Old 12-23-2015 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by SteelerNation
I am having a hard time understanding the "catch." Why did they do this? I feel like a battered woman that finally met a nice man and burnt her first dinner. Your ducking for the inevitable slap that isn't coming. Where am I wrong? Someone explain what was their motivation? Known costs for something coming down the road? Obtaining financing? Wanting to know fixed costs for a longer time frame? Just confused, sorry...
I believe the catch is 2-fold. They wanted FRMS changes and a solid LOA for extensions so they could run a more reliable ultra long haul product. And....dare I say it, with the new CEO in charge wanted to try to change our adversarial relationship. Many will disagree, but have you read the furloughee retro section of this TA? wow. Way better than I expected. After the LOA 25 BS, can anyone honestly say we get this if Jeff is still running the place? C'mon. The TA summary says the wages alone cost 1B. This TA rocks. The problem most pilots have, especially pilots that hang out on these forums, is 1. They will always think we can do better and we're being played for suckers. 2. If you bought them a free house, they would complain about the property taxes.
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Old 12-23-2015 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by jetlink
Do you think of yourself as capitalist, wealth creator, businessman, etc? You are a pilot, a union member, just another number in corporate book, an individual that serves a specific purpose, and soon to be replaced by more powerful autonomous computers, and then you'll ask for help. It's easy to criticize when you enjoy liberal ideas as Union protection and contracts, easy to criticize when US DOD paid for you flight training and pays your "government entitlement" - pension from USAF.
Why are pilots liberal when it comes to protecting their interest and run to unions, but criticize others for doing the same.
You want to be true republican, give up your pension from DOD, vote unions down and upgrade and get paid based on merit, kiss @$$, networking, buddy system, just like any other corporate employees. Or better start your own airlines and shows us how it's done the republican way. Join none union airlines like JB, VA, oh wait, they... Oh no! The Liberals are taking over! I suggest you stock more of none perishable goods, guns and ammunition in your bunker, because there is no hope ;-)
The f....ing liberals ruined the economy, stocks are at the highest they have ever been, the fuel is at $30 a barrel, real estates is up to 2006 prices, car dealers are selling cars above MSRP, the interest rates are going up, people getting jobs, spending money on iPads, TVs, houses, shopping malls are full of shoppers!!
Damned liberals! It was so good in 2008, when republican were running the country! You were able to by home for a price of VCR, turn you old junk and get new BMW for 0%, gas was at $4 per gallon, empty shopping malls- no crouds like today, your 401K account had opportunity for growth and your contributions didn't make a dent! It was so good, all those deregulations introduced in 2000-2007 made opportunities for wealth growth in energy sector like Enron, housing market and loans,! It was a true renaissance in republican American business.
You forgot to thank Bill Clinton for unhinging the banks from Glass-Stegal.
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