Short call reserve assignment question
04-30-2016, 07:27 AM
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Well that's a good question. The crewdesk said something like " you are released from your sc today and I'm giving you a 1400 SC tomorrow". I said that's my last day and the CD said something like "yeah, 1400 SC really doesn't make sense on your last day but I got you till 2400 so after the last flight you can call for release". So I guess they did notify me in a round about way.
What does your master schedule say? What time is it showing a release? I had a short call on my last day the other day and the scheduler put it in to release me at 10am (contractually it should have been 1500). I called at 0700 to get released after being on call for a few hours and they let me go and made a comment that there are a lot of new schedulers and the new person made a mistake and put me in to release at 10am.....No arguments from me
04-30-2016, 07:37 AM
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.The assignment is horribly annoying and bastardizing the intent of the contract but is legal. I interpret the contract as saying they must notify me to remain on call AFTER I start my SC that day, until we get a clarification I would leave at 1500 if not called before then to remain on duty.
04-30-2016, 07:40 AM
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Well that's a good question. The crewdesk said something like " you are released from your sc today and I'm giving you a 1400 SC tomorrow". I said that's my last day and the CD said something like "yeah, 1400 SC really doesn't make sense on your last day but I got you till 2400 so after the last flight you can call for release". So I guess they did notify me in a round about way.
One thing to keep in mind if you call to get released early, it could affect your position on the FIFO list for your next reserve block...if that is important to you.
05-14-2016, 12:32 PM
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Short call eludes me. If I have a sc that started at say 0500 and it's now 1700, can they use me at all if they haven't called me yet? They need to give me 2.5 hours to show which puts me past the 14 hour mark. I asked a scheduled once and he said i had to be where i was going to be for the day by that 14th, be it a DH or a trip that RON'd somewhere. Other people I've asked have had different answers. Anyone have better gouge on this?
05-14-2016, 12:54 PM
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Pretty sure you have 16 hours of duty from the beginning of your RAP. Odds are they won't be to do much to you after about 10 or 11 hours, but, keep in mind they can release you to 10 hours of rest for a trip. This can happen up until the last minute of your 14 hours. The 14 hours is just when you have to be available...not really a duty time.
05-14-2016, 12:55 PM
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Short call eludes me. If I have a sc that started at say 0500 and it's now 1700, can they use me at all if they haven't called me yet? They need to give me 2.5 hours to show which puts me past the 14 hour mark. I asked a scheduled once and he said i had to be where i was going to be for the day by that 14th, be it a DH or a trip that RON'd somewhere. Other people I've asked have had different answers. Anyone have better gouge on this?
SC is used for both an immediate callout and for a sort of modified long call. That's why they won't release us just because they can't use us today. If they do we revert to a 12-hour callout. Why not just keep us on SC for the full 14 hours as they gain two hours on the long call callout requirement.
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05-14-2016, 01:50 PM
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Pretty sure you have 16 hours of duty from the beginning of your RAP. Odds are they won't be to do much to you after about 10 or 11 hours, but, keep in mind they can release you to 10 hours of rest for a trip. This can happen up until the last minute of your 14 hours. The 14 hours is just when you have to be available...not really a duty time.
And yes, at the end of the short call window, there really isn't much they can do to you. And, if you are international, after a short time, you really can't do the longer international trips, duty is too long.
It really depends on your fleet and who you talk to at the crew desk if they will release you at the end of your window, maybe make an earlier commuter flight home, or give you another short call the next day.
05-14-2016, 02:07 PM
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Agreed....poor wording. The 14 hours is an availability period, not the extent of your duty period. It all counts as duty, but realize you be assigned something that goes past the 14 hours.
05-14-2016, 04:24 PM
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A RAP is not a flight duty period. A pilot may be assigned a flight duty period during his RAP, in which case the RAP + flight duty cannot exceed the lesser of Table B limits + 4 hours, or 16 hours total as measured from the beginning of the RAP (unaugmented). Or Table C limits + 4 hours (augmented)....no 16 hour protection for augmented.
On ALPA.org there is a 117 PDF guide under pilot resources. It's got some good Q&A about reserve status with examples starting on page 21. I'm sure most here have seen it, but if not it's good gouge!
On ALPA.org there is a 117 PDF guide under pilot resources. It's got some good Q&A about reserve status with examples starting on page 21. I'm sure most here have seen it, but if not it's good gouge!
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