For all you know it alls who keep calling 570s potential SCABS and make comparisons between UAL 85 and CAL 83, well your wrong.

Here's the truths to put in your pockets:

1. The 570 who honored the strike were not SCABS.

2. CAL strike was declared with zero prep and was a response to 50% pay cuts unilaterally declared through, what is now illegal, the wrongful use of BK laws by an evil and self serving man, Lorenzo.

3. The UAL strike was declared through proper preparation and fully legal Railway Labor act processes. Both sides, management and union, used and applied the laws within their legal rights.

4. Had the UAL strike become long and drawn out many speculations about pilots crossing, becoming SCABS, and the hiring of outside pilots would certainly have become true. But it didn't and any conversation about whom those would have been are purely chest thumping and demeaning to those who make such declarations.

No I'm not a 570, I was there carrying a sign and did not cross the UAL line.

It's time you SCAB name callers let it go and enjoy your high pay and the luxuries of your legally negotiated contract. But remember you too may be asked to give it all up in defense of the contract that gave it to you.

 

Scab this Scab that, what the h3ll are you talking about? The 570 got letters from United which said they are building a pool of qualified pilots for anticipated expansion. I got the same letter. It said that "upon successful interview process you will be sent to flight engineer training, if you pass the training you will be issued a Flight Engineer Certificate and then released from United and placed in a hiring pool. YOU ARE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO UNITED AND ARE FREE TO SEEK EMPLOYMENT ELSEWHERE" I did get that letter but because there was no job offer contingent upon completion of training,I sent United a letter stating I will be unable to accept their offer because I could not get a leave of absence from my current employer. I had absolutely no clue they were hiring for a scab pool, I took the letter for what it was - A free Flight Engineer Certificate with no offer of employment. Over 570 people were in a position to take United up on the offer. Sometime during their training, they learned from ALpa what was going on. To their credit, 570 pilots refused to cross the picket line, a small minority crossed and scabbed. Many continue to minimize the courage of those 570 for standing shoulder to shoulder with the striking ALPA pilots for reasons unknown to me. When the strike was over, the 570 went to work and the harassment they received from Company management pilots was legendary. You want to talk about scabs, go talk about scabs but never say the 570 were scabs.

 

So they were offering "free" FE Certificates with no strings attached? That's a new twist I've not heard before.

 

shack

the 570 were to fly as FE for the Fleet Qual captains (75) and copilots (50)
and for whoever crossed from United.

very few crossed. the fleet qual weren't thru sims and ioe yet. and the 570 were holed up in a hotel waiting to see the next moves.

and afa and alpa cut a deal and settled and returned just before the levy broke...




it was pretty well understood

 

There's at least one in Europe who puts them in the right seat of a wide body.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

Geez do you even work at UAL or in the industry?

 

You all need to stop pontificating about the 85 strike, 570, fleet quals and anything associated with it, because you are showing your ignorance of the subject.

The strike is long over and most of you were not even flying airplanes when it happened so move on please.

 

I flew most of my first 10 years sitting next to a scab or 570. Probably 70 to 80% of the time. The other 20 to 30 percent were always badmouthing both groups.

Too a man, the 570 are the most toxic group of pilots at United. Looking at my past, the pilots that caused the most problems, and spent the most time standing in front of the chief pilots desk, were 570.

I had a new dispatcher on my jumpseat a year or so ago. He told us about a couple of ORD 400 Captains who kept having to land short of ORD, usually SFO, coming back across the Pacific. Or, simply canceling the flight back. He didn't understand why someone would do that.

I told him about the 570, and that I would bet a paycheck that they were 570. He emailed me a few days later, and confirmed it.

United will be a better place when all of them are gone. Unfortunately, a reasonable number of them were hired very young, with minimal qualifications. Some of them will be here for another 8 or 10 years. The customers on our wide body aircraft get to suffer for a long time.

 

Sad then that they got battle stars. Unearned valor in my opinion. Maybe it evens out.....thinking about this....ALPA forgave CAL scabs and ALPA gave out 570 unearned battle stars. Two different legacies, but now one united group of "black sheep."