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01-02-2017 | 05:08 PM
#121
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I was pretty naive in those days and took the letter to mean exactly what United stated - anticipated expansion. Had I had a means of support to get me thru the training and then hold me over until I found a job, I would have showed up for the interview process in a heartbeat but such was not the case. I could not rub two nickels together back then so I could not just walk away from a decent paying (at least to me it was a decent paying)job flying small jets. I've gained a lot of wisdom after working for 31 years at this airline and can spot a scab pool from 10 miles away. But back then, "anticipated expansion" meant exactly that.
01-02-2017 | 05:45 PM
#122
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01-02-2017 | 06:27 PM
#124
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Starting with 570 that could have shown up for ioe if the strike was shorter. When the individuals did not show up when the strike in May started it was over for them. For the few that crossed and the 25 or so that played both sides of the fence they could do ioe. For the majority that did not cross it was over.
My little mind, lol have to love folks like yourself.
My little mind, lol have to love folks like yourself.
01-03-2017 | 07:27 AM
#125
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Just in case, you don't really know, it doesn't. New hires have not hit wide bodies yet, although it's getting very close. 2 & 3 year guys have been getting a lot of 777 F/O bids.
The 767 fleet is the exception. The 767 is really a wide body, but for pay, it's a bit weird. Many new hires on the 767/757.
The 767 fleet is the exception. The 767 is really a wide body, but for pay, it's a bit weird. Many new hires on the 767/757.
01-03-2017 | 07:53 AM
#126
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Mainly because what is left is close to being tapped out. The ones staying at express would be the very senior, and don't want to move and start over. Many reasons to not move.
The others that are left may be unhirable by the majors. Again, many reasons. I'm not talking about the guys that have apps out and actively applying--low time and building.
So, in my opinion, not wasting time. It's going to have to happen sooner or later. My guess is sooner. We may already be at the tipping point where the flow of pilots from express will slow down a lot because no one is left to hire.
Of course this all assumes that massive hiring will continue by all the majors in the foreseeable future and no downturn happens.
The others that are left may be unhirable by the majors. Again, many reasons. I'm not talking about the guys that have apps out and actively applying--low time and building.
So, in my opinion, not wasting time. It's going to have to happen sooner or later. My guess is sooner. We may already be at the tipping point where the flow of pilots from express will slow down a lot because no one is left to hire.
Of course this all assumes that massive hiring will continue by all the majors in the foreseeable future and no downturn happens.
01-03-2017 | 08:09 AM
#127
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My airline must be the exception. Every new hire I fly with agrees that our CPP agreement is a joke and will never land them at UAL. Can't blame them, most of us senior folks feel the same way.
01-03-2017 | 08:37 AM
#128
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Yup, I doubt most people in the programs will actually get hired at UAL because of these programs. They seem to be more of a false advertising attempt to attract warm bodies at the RJ level. Although IMO these programs might stem a shortage at UAL in 2025 at the peak of retirements.
01-03-2017 | 07:25 PM
#129
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Starting with 570 that could have shown up for ioe if the strike was shorter. When the individuals did not show up when the strike in May started it was over for them. For the few that crossed and the 25 or so that played both sides of the fence they could do ioe. For the majority that did not cross it was over.
My little mind, lol have to love folks like yourself.
My little mind, lol have to love folks like yourself.
as for "starting with...". since you got that one wrong, care to continue past "starting with.."?
care to state another fact I have no idea about according to you?
try again ?
if you do not understand that Ferris planned a strike, that he actively executed a plan to fly through the strike using Fleet Quals in the front two seats and these 570 in the sideways seats, then you understand nothing. nothing.
go ahead. re-read my earlier post. then post some facts you think are wrong.
try again....
01-03-2017 | 07:44 PM
#130
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Yup, I doubt most people in the programs will actually get hired at UAL because of these programs. They seem to be more of a false advertising attempt to attract warm bodies at the RJ level. Although IMO these programs might stem a shortage at UAL in 2025 at the peak of retirements.
The amount of vague/gray mismanaged language that exists in them is astounding.
But hey, at least it got the sick call rate for the summer of 2016 to drop at one of the regionals that has a CPP. Silly pilots thought it would affect their CPP chances...........
What a coup for regional and UAL management.
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